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[QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [QB] Dana, [b]The Northern Indians at that time were the Jats and the Meds. Most northern Indians are still dark, especially Punjabis! [/b] Wrong most are not dark. Must we really contest this? "It is important to understand the mindset. Why do many Indians perceive fair skin as beautiful The Indian race is the most diversified when it comes to skin colour. You will find all skin colours here, from almost black to as light as any white person. [b]On an average, Kashmiris and Punjabis tend to be light skinned, while South Indians often tend to have darker skin.[/b] Of course, you will find those with light and dark skin in every community. Perhaps because there are more Indians with dark skin, light skin is seen as rarer and more beautiful Similarly, most Indians have black or brown eyes, so if an Indian has coloured eyes, he or she is immediately thought of as having beautiful eyes." http://www.indiaparenting.com/beauty/article.cgi?art_id=148&sec_id=10 [b]According to Snowden "Manilius Astronomica 4.729-30; Lucan 4.678-679…” noted “the similarity of the color in the Moor and the Indian (concolor Indo Maurus)…” (p. 259).[/b] Give you give us the complete passage? [b]The word Indian referred to Abyssinians, Beja and Eritrea and South Arabian Himyarites (Sabaeans) in their time along with peoples along the Indus of the same complexion. As in Nonnus where they are called the woolly haired "Indi" or Blemmyes (Beliya or Beli ) along the Orontes.[/b] And yet Arrian and Strabo further quailify this comaprision by saying that Ehtiopians wre more similar to SOUTHERN Indians and Egyptians, Northern ones. [b]Egyptians and many populations south of Egypt were an are the exact same color. And most Berber clans today are of course the same color they were when mentioned in early texts.[/b] And yet so many of the quotes on this thread say other wise, starting with Manilius. [b] Most of the major tribes of people that were known as Berbers are still dark brown and black and color.[/b] But the vast majority of berbers are not dark brown or Black. [b]Those tribes as listed over and over again by the early Arab writers were the Zanata, Masmuda (from whom came the original Ghomara), Kitama, Hawara, Sanhaja.[/b] Well here is how the Moroccans depict Ibn Batutta (who was of the Lawata tribe which I believe is a branch of the Sanhaja) on their currency. [IMG]http://www.automation-drive.com//EX/05-15-08/marrocos-ibn-batouta.jpg[/IMG] Maybe you should write a compliant to the Moroccan Embassy. :D [b]No tribe of fair-skinned people whether Scythian, Vandal, people of the sea, Turk, Iranian, Syrian, Albanian, Armenian, or slave-descended was ever named Maurus or Berber in North Africa by the early Near Eastern or Byzantine writers.[/b] If they were Scythians or Vandals etc then of course they weren't Berbers. That's a no brainer. You may be interested in knowing however that the Greek historian Ephorus says the Tartessians held that Ethiopians (Blacks) only reached up as far north as the Atlas mountains in Morocco. Apparently they were pushed further back as the coastal Berbers expanded and with arrival of Islam. The Portuguese by the way claimed that some of the Bafur in Mauritania were very light skinned. [b]And of course Olmec's showed clearly both African type and Native American type skeletons as is oft mentioned in early anthropological studies.[/b] Where is the genetic or cultural evidence please? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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