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[QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] 1). [QUOTE]Originally posted by Whatbox: Afrorum? [b]@ alTakruri, [/b]where'd you get that from, who were they?[/QUOTE]Manilius Astromomica 4.728 those between Egypt and Mauretania, including the [i]Aourigha[/i], who were the ones who at first rented land to the Phoenician founders of Carthage. No longer inhabiting that area, the [i]Afer[/i] did continue to dwell south of it and far into the desert. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Whatbox: From page 1 of this thread, we have: [QUOTE] [i]..Phoebus harenosis Afrorum pulvere terris exsiccat populos, et Mauretania nomen oris habet titulumque suo fert ipsa colore.[/i] Bright (sunny) African and sandy dust of the earth drieth up the people, and the name of Mauritania, a label his mouth bears has the very color. [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Besides unintelligible machine "translation" that Wally and Lyin'Arse posted, there are other poor attempts at English translation of the Latin like the one done back in the 17th century. DJ's cumpā, whom you quote, did do a decent job and I'd like to collaborate with him. Meanwhile, here's mine [IMG]http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7926/maniliusafrorum.gif[/IMG] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Whatbox: So does Afrorum even refer to a people here? Doesn't really look like it. [/QUOTE]The name we use for the continent Africa ultimately derives from a word that entered the Indo-European languages as a borrowing from Punic or the indigenees themselves. [i]Afrorum[/i] is the Latin plural of [i]Afer[/i] (African), the folk Phoenicians bargained with at what's now far NE Tunisia (see this TNV thread on the [URL=http://thenile.phpbb-host.com/sutra7219.php]Etymology of Africa[/URL]). 2). [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Of course while Manilius never used the actual designations of 'white' of 'black', those colors were IMPLIED in his writings, dummy! Why else would he group Egyptians, Ethiopians, and Indians in one hand but Spaniards, Germanics, Greeks, and even Syrians on another?? Does that bother you to know that he didn't group Egyptians together with Syrians or with his people (Greeks)?? I think it does. Which is why you resort to emotional ad-hominem attacks on me. Just because support Takruri's [i]valid[/i] assertions unlike yours does not make me a "cheerleader". ;) [/QUOTE]Ah, but his lead in before ranking both the whites and blacks starting each group with the "yardstick" people dichotomized by colour -- German whitest / Aethiopian blackest -- does more than just imply colour. He outright tells us at line 712 that skin colour (complexion) is his primary variation for arranging the one human race. "[i]Idcirco in varias leges variasque figuras dispositum genus est hominum, [URL=http://www.]proprioque colore formantur gentes[/URL], sociataque iura per artus materiamque parem privato foedere signant[/i]" [/QB][/QUOTE]
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