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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Whatbox: [QB] In my opinion this wouldn't be the very most Africanizing description of Egyptians, in terms of ancient Greco-Roman quotes (classical), at least not in the tropical sense. So essentially he says that Egyptians were darker than Mauretanians and Mauretanians' darker Libyan (Afrorum) counterparts? He did though give an intriguing possible hint though. In writing this he mentions approaching a medium hue, in terms of the great extremes white and black - German to Ethiopian - of mankind. Mind you this isn't Modern Ethiopia / ancient Abyssinia we're talking about -- mod Ethiopia was named such in recent times, just like "Ghana" isn't the classical Kingdom of Ghana, which was to the North in [i]modern[/i] Mauretania, and Benin isn't the Benin Empire, which was located in Nigeria. These would've been Kemet's Southern neighbors, and Egyptians depicted their Southern neighbors quite black - as black as possible. [b]Western (i.e. non-Indian) "Ethiopia" was used for individuals residing outside of Egypt in Sudan, and even for West Africans as when Romans I think travelled by ship there, to West Africa, the natives/inhabitants were simply described again as "Ethiopians" from the Western Sudan to the forested interior. Sudanese are some of the [b]blackest Africans[/b] on pigmentation maps (not only is it dry, but combined with it being fully in the [b]tropics zone[/b] the sands give a [b]reflective[/b] and the arid desert gives a frying pan effect if you check the temperatures to further illustrate my point. Anyway, they say moderate hue when bringing up Kemetians, and it's interesting, as I've seen other quotes claiming that of Nubians, although these could've been during Medieval times or so. Kemetians do appear a bit darker than this (medium) in much of their art, though, although -- I have seen art where they appear near perfectly medium. Quite near the color of this: [IMG]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/icons/icon14.gif[/IMG]. So this may help us guage the coloring of the groups he mentions. It was said by Greeks that Persians (that would be Iranians) were lighter than they. Anyway, so with that said perhaps I would place the Afrorum / Libyans as light skinned (from a black perspective) or what would be known as "quadroon mulatto" levels, and their Mauretanians at "octoroon" levels. Leaving Syrians, then Greeks, straight swarthy. Followed by the still lighter Romans (Italians), Hispania (Spain), Gallic people (Gauls -- Celts), and then finally Germania (Germanic people). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keep in mind an Upper near Middle Egypt place like in Luxor has many significantly dark skinned individuals, while many Middler & Lower Egyptian locales have more folks of lighter complexions, but unlike in modern times most Egyptians didn't live in that end, especially the Middle, probably bringing the average and mode towards a darker direction, perfectly between jet & lily in those times. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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