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[QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [QB] [b]Not really, only for the coastal Berbers. The Saharan Berbers et al are still quite dark. There are the Siwi, the Temgroute Berbers, the Tissint, the Berbers of the Saharan town of Ghadames..[/b] Well you should be thrilled to know that the general consensus is that many of the dark berbers are the result of assimilation with blacks as they migrated southward. ;) [b]The Idea of Bidan had nothing to do with being pale people. Many of the people called Bidan would be Brown, Dark Brown, Reddish Brown etc as opposed to extreemly black.[/b] Oh give me a break. Bidan is a term used by Arabs for non Blacks, whether they are beige or light brown is not the issue. It is a term used for lighter skinned people. Now as with the term Blanco in south america, the term might be extended to include some dark people of high status, but the general rule is these people are non Blacks. Some Bidan Moorish people. [IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MRp8peNFKFk/Thr1hOhmuZI/AAAAAAAACQI/LOuvElc1qQM/s1600/Bride%20and%20groom.JPG[/IMG] Another [IMG]http://e.imagehost.org/0229/Maur4.jpg[/IMG] Now whether you call them beige, bronze or paper bag brown, they are not negroes. That is what I'm talking about. Capeesh?? Btw the way the Bidan Moors consder themselves descendants of Sahnhaja Berbers. Lol! [b]And this proves your racial point how?? Again climate zones, not different than a person living in Texas going to Mexico and not drinking the water because it supposedly makes you sick.[/b] I see you are not very good at breaking down analogies. The reason why water in Mexico..or San Antonio :) might make us sick is not beause of a difference in climate LMAO! But because of germs. This is something you get used to after a while. Battuta doesn't mention climate but two different types of people, the whites being phsyiologically ill disposed to digest certain African grains. Oh wait what am I saying? the Arabs didn't notice any different racial types in North Afica. And Bidan simply refers to Blacks whose skin had a healthy glow. Ah but then there's you boy Al jahiz and his book Risalat mufakharat al-sudan 'ala al-bidan (Superiority Of The Blacks To The Whites)..I guess Bidan had some racial meaning to him, huh? :p [b]We Also have Ancient discriptions of blacks in North Africa from greco Roman Times. Also the origin of Berber is SSA and the Eastern Deserts with the Berber HG being found as far South as Sudan etc.[/b] Depictions of Blacks from the interior. Only the haplogroup E-m81 is likely SSA. But much of their dna ain't. It takes a combination of things to make a berber. [b]I believe you are being schooled on this by Explorer on the R1b thread if I recall.[/b] What R having it's origin in Africa? Your Explorer fellow is quite the entertainer. [b]Majority of the Sahran Berbers and Sahrans are Dark Brown, Brown light brown etc. their African origin is undeniable.[/b] Those represent only about 10% of all Berbers. Why focus on them? [b]There is a clear difference, gentically, Physically, Linguistically, and Culturally than a Light brown Sahran Berber and a Southern European, the former being closer to a black Skinned Chadian or Beja than to a Southern European in all the above mentioned.[/b] Yeah cause a Saharan Berber is likely already mixed Chadians or Malians. [b]As I said before your opinion is moot. I can care less what you think.[/b] My opinions are informed by facts and logic, your opinions are influenced by afrocentric tomfoolery and tales of the mothership connection. Dana Marniche and others are doing you a serious diservice, son. [b]Lybia is not Atheiopia and the people depicted by Egyptian came from Coastal North Africa not Athiopia. As before there is no detailed description of the Leuko Ethiopians, and Luekoethiopians would translate as " whites blacks" or "White Negros" LMAO[/b] Or White Africans. and I do believe that the Luekaethiopians were reported being in Libya. [b]So then the Gramantes were associated with Athiopies, I.E blacks. Case closed, not need to insert personal opinions but then again, this is what you seem to be good at.[/b] But they were also contrasted with Blacks. so take your pick..I oh nevermind. [b]Again you can't prove that the quote involved "Light Skinned" Indians can you. All you can do is cherry pick. I can however compare Reddish brown Egyptians(the Color which Egyptians Caracatured themselves as having) with Northern Indians of the same Color. It not Irrelevent when many Northern Indians are Reddish Brown and Dark Brown as compared to pitch Black Dravidians and the Egyptians applied the Same Reddish Brown v. Pitch black contrast themselves.[/b] Cherry pick nothing! Northern Indians are KNOWN for being light some even having light eyes. And most southern dravdians are not pitch black but medium to dark redish brown. Don't let it upset you. ;) Just remember the truth will set you free! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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