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[QUOTE]Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: [QB] [QUOTE]Dude you yourself mention that the Bidan Moors claim descent from Beni Hassan Arabs who we know are not Black Africans.[/QUOTE]And, what the hell is your point?? We are talking about the Sanhaja not Arabs. BTW, not all Arabs are light some can be quite Dark etc. Even you yourself have contended that the aboriginal Arabs were "Veddiod" people with Africoid features. There is still a presence of this type on Socotra Island in Yemen. I doubt these people came into Africa but it gives you something to think about when it comes to "Eurasians" many Socotrans look like HOA's and other Kushites. [QUOTE]Are you freakin serious?? Oh yeah they were a mixture of Sanhaja Berbers too, so still light. So it was about color after all.[/QUOTE]They mixed with Sanhaja, Sudanis etc. This bears out in the Hassinya language with Sonnike and Zenega loan words.Once again has nothing to do with color but paternal decent, which is why you have "Blacks" in the Bidane class. This is how Islamic cultures work, again Anwar sedat. This is a verified fact if you accept it or not. The woman I posted Dimi Mint Abbas was a Bidane Moor of a lower rank called iggawin. Her Low rank had nothing to do with color but the fact that it was the Musician class. Don't you get it, originally the "Castes" were a Warrior caste, both Sudanis, and Zenaga berbers were conquered. Look as Dimi she looks very similar to the people who one the Almoravid Libraries, I even posted a Maurabout the people who speak the Zenega language. These people are all Brown and Dark Brown with African Features. Im really starting to think you are mildly retarded. You can't seem to retain basic information..once again reguarding the Sanhaja.. Once Again.. [QUOTE][i]"“The Berber women are from the island of Barbara, which is between the west and the south. [b]Their color is mostly black though some pale ones can be found among them.[/b] If you can find one whose mother is of Kutama, whose father is of Sanhaja, and whose origin is Masmuda, then you will find her naturally inclined to obedience and loyalty in all matters, active in service, suited both to motherhood and to pleasure, for they are the most solicitous in caring for their children. “"[/i][/QUOTE]-Ibn Butlan 11th Century.. Nasr i Khusrau, an Iranian ruler described the Masmuda soldiers of the Fatimid dynasty as “black Africans”. -11th Century See Yaacov Lev, “Army, Regime and Society in Fatimid Egypt, 358-487/968-1094″, International Journal of Middle Eastern Studies, 19.3 (1987) p. 342. [QUOTE][i](At the moment the published DBM list contains no troops that fit this description, and the most likely candidates at this date are probably the Berbers. The Persian traveller Nasir-i Khusrau described Fatimid Masmuda infantry as armed with spear and sword (Yaacov Lev, "Army, Regime and Society in Fatimid Egypt, 358-487/968-1094", International Journal of Middle Eastern Studies 19.3 (1987), p.342; [b]although Nasir-i Khusrau for some reason describes them as black Africans, the Masmuda are a Berber confederacy[/b]).)[/i][/QUOTE].........[i]The Taureq [i]Bani Tanamek[/i] were counted among the Sanhadja.[/i]........... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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