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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by KooKooKoLa: [qb]where are the west african markers in south east Europe?LMAO[/qb][/QUOTE]I just showed you, moron! [b]LMAO[/b] :D There are 4 main types of variations of sickle cell; one in Eurasia is the Arab-Indian types, while 3 are African-- Senegal, Benin, and Bantu. The type found in southern Europe in general is Benin. Plus there are some HLA genes in Greeks that are West African. As far as Y-chromosome lineages, E1b1a is mainly found in South[i]west[/i] Europe although there are only traces of it in southeast Europe. What does that have to do with the topic of [b]Egypt[/b] where West African markers are more prevalent especially in the southern areas like hapotype IV?! [QUOTE] Cranial Discrete Traits in a Byzantine Population and Eastern Mediterranean Population Movements Human Biology , Oct 2008 by Ricaut, F X, Waelkens, M[i] A late Pleistocene–early Holocene northward migration (from Africa to the Levant and to Anatolia) of these populations has been hypothesized from skeletal data (Angel 1972, 1973; Brace et al. 2005) and from archeological data, as indicated by the probable Nile valley origin of the “Mesolithic” (epi-Paleolithic) Mushabi culture found in the Levant (Bar Yosef 1987). This migration finds some support in the presence in Mediterranean populations (Sicily, Greece, southern Turkey, etc.; Patrinos et al. 2001; Schiliro et al. 1990) of [b]the Benin sickle cell haplotype. This haplotype originated in West Africa[/b] and is probably associated with the spread of malaria to southern Europe through an eastern Mediterranean route (Salares et al. 2004) following the expansion of both human and mosquito populations brought about by the advent of the Neolithic transition (Hume et al. 2003; Joy et al. 2003; Rich et al. 1998). This northward migration of northeastern African populations carrying sub-Saharan biological elements is concordant with the morphological homogeneity of the Natufian populations (Bocquentin 2003), which present morphological affinity with sub-Saharan populations (Angel 1972; Brace et al. 2005). In addition, the Neolithic revolution was assumed to arise in the late Pleistocene Natufians and subsequently spread into Anatolia and Europe (Bar-Yosef 2002), and the first Anatolian farmers, Neolithic to Bronze Age Mediterraneans and to some degree other Neolithic–Bronze Age Europeans, show morphological affinities with the Natufians (and indirectly with sub-Saharan populations; Angel 1972; Brace et al. 2005), in concordance with a process of demic diffusion accompanying the extension of the Neolithic revolution (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994). [/i] [qb]Now its explained it must be the same for Egypt ;) like i said earlier, it must had entered Southern europe in the late Paleolithic/Mesolithic by the E1B1B1A carriers ;) [/qb][/QUOTE][b]LOL[/b] That source you cited was cited here [i]years[/i] ago, so it is not new to me nor to the rest of the veterans in this forum. It's obviously new to YOU. And apparently you missed the part where it said that it originated in WEST Africa, so I highlighted it for you. So basically what they're saying is that if Benin HBS was carried by the Epipaleolithic forebears into the Levant by the Natufians then they must have inherited [i]from[/i] West African ancestors, dummy. As again it talks about peoples migrating and moving around. If people moved from northeast Africa into the Levant and then into southern Europe, why is it so hard to believe that West Africans migrated across the Saharan region when it was green and fertile and then into the Nile Valley?? [QUOTE][qb]Mtdna L3 is common to East africa and is the supposed parent of the eurasian M and N.[/qb][/QUOTE]Yes but L3a derived lineages are also found in other areas of African including West and Central Africa. Your point? [QUOTE][qb]Mtdna U6 which is originally Eurasian, is common to Berbers :D [/qb][/QUOTE]Actually that is a Eurocentric theory that has yet to be proven since U6 is found in both its highest frequency and diversity in North Africa, specifically Northwest Africa NOT Eurasia where only downstream forms are found in very low frequency. [QUOTE][qb]Y'all always clinged to the same old graphics, dont you? :p [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/sf9smc.jpg[/IMG] [/qb][/QUOTE]Not [i]my[/i] graphics and not my problem. YOUR problem of course is a failure at comprehension even of your own sources! Even the map above shows the presence of E1b1a (M2) and E1b1a (M58) in Egypt! [b]LMAO[/b] :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
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