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White Nord
Member # 14093
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When debating another loon on this topic he presents a quotation (I guess from here) that states that modern Egyptians cluster biologically Sub Saharan Africans, yet still manage to look the way that they due. Here is the quote.

quote:
"The biological characteristics of modern
Egyptians show a north-south cline, reflecting
their geographic location between sub-Saharan
Africa and the Levant. This is expressed in DNA,
blood groups, serum proteins and genetic
disorders (Filon 1996; Hammer et al. 1998; Krings
et al. 1999). They can also be expressed in
phenotypic characteristics that can be identified
in teeth and bones (Crichton 1966; Froment 1992;
Keita 1996). These characteristics include head
form, facial and nasal characteristics, jaw
relationships, tooth size, morphology and
upper/lower limb proportions. In all these
features, Modern Egyptians resemble Sub-Saharan
Africans (Howells 1989, Keita 1995)."

-- Smith, P. (2002) The palaeo-biological
evidence for admixture between populations in the
southern Levant and Egypt in the fourth to third
millennia BCE. in E.C.M van den Brink and TE Levy, eds.
Egypt and the Levant: interrelations from the 4th through the
3rd millenium, BCE. Leicester Univ Press: 2002, 118-28

Despite having biological affinities with Sub Saharan Africans they still manage to look like this

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This shoots down the assertions made by these Afrobush dumbasses who use quotes that say the same damn thing about ancient Egyptians, which they think helps proves that they didn't look like the protesters in the picture.

The dumbass that I was debating also referenced this chart on limb proportions

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This once again proves that despite having so called "Negroid" limb proportions modern Northern Egyptians still look like this

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Thus refuting Afrocentric assertions that these biological features automatically means that one looks like a Negro.

GIVE IT UP DUMBASSES!
 
the lioness
Member # 17353
 - posted
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^^^^^this guy looks half negro
 
Djehuti
Member # 6698
 - posted
^^ LOL Not only that one guy but the rest of them as well including the people in his other picture

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^ They are all obviously of MIXED African and other descent. Of course nobody in here has argued otherwise so I don't know why the idiot even bothered creating this thread. Of course the ancient Egyptians would have been more fully African. But that is just common sense.

In the meantime notice how similar in appearance many modern Egyptians are to many modern Greeks with features like black curly hair and dark complexions...

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Of course lies of "Mediterranean" subrace of "caucasian" is the excuse though could it be the real reason would be about a quarter of Greeks carry African E1b1b as well as African HLA and Benin HBS??

E1b1b
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HLA
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Benin HBS
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The difference between Greece and Egypt is that the Greeks got their admixture early on since the neolithic! LOL
 
the lioness
Member # 17353
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:


^ They are all obviously of MIXED African and other descent. Of course nobody in here has argued otherwise so I don't know why the idiot even bothered creating this thread. Of course the ancient Egyptians would have been more fully African. But that is just common sense.


the race known as "fully African"
 
zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova
Member # 15718
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by White Nord:
When debating another loon on this topic he presents a quotation (I guess from here) that states that modern Egyptians cluster biologically Sub Saharan Africans, yet still manage to look the way that they due. Here is the quote.

quote:
"The biological characteristics of modern
Egyptians show a north-south cline, reflecting
their geographic location between sub-Saharan
Africa and the Levant. This is expressed in DNA,
blood groups, serum proteins and genetic
disorders (Filon 1996; Hammer et al. 1998; Krings
et al. 1999). They can also be expressed in
phenotypic characteristics that can be identified
in teeth and bones (Crichton 1966; Froment 1992;
Keita 1996). These characteristics include head
form, facial and nasal characteristics, jaw
relationships, tooth size, morphology and
upper/lower limb proportions. In all these
features, Modern Egyptians resemble Sub-Saharan
Africans (Howells 1989, Keita 1995)."

-- Smith, P. (2002) The palaeo-biological
evidence for admixture between populations in the
southern Levant and Egypt in the fourth to third
millennia BCE. in E.C.M van den Brink and TE Levy, eds.
Egypt and the Levant: interrelations from the 4th through the
3rd millenium, BCE. Leicester Univ Press: 2002, 118-28

Despite having biological affinities with Sub Saharan Africans they still manage to look like this

 -

This shoots down the assertions made by these Afrobush dumbasses who use quotes that say the same damn thing about ancient Egyptians, which they think helps proves that they didn't look like the protesters in the picture.

The dumbass that I was debating also referenced this chart on limb proportions

 -

This once again proves that despite having so called "Negroid" limb proportions modern Northern Egyptians still look like this

 -

Thus refuting Afrocentric assertions that these biological features automatically means that one looks like a Negro.

GIVE IT UP DUMBASSES!

^^Sounds like YOU are the dumbass getting debunked
by the poster you are debating. SO you come on
Egypt search to see if you can get any help in
a roundabout way. Sheeeeeyit...

You are AGAIN debunked on 2 counts:

1) On the characteristics SMith mentions, many
Egyptians would cluster with "sub-Saharan" Africans.
Your cherrypicked "picture evidence" CONVENIENTLY leaves
out many modern Egyptians. Some of these below.
Funny how you missed these in your so-called
"comparison." ANd we have not even gotten into
various peoples of SOmalia, Ethiopia, Kenya etc
who are also "sub Saharan"

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Smith also did a limb to limb analysis of northern
ancients versus Middle Easterners. The northerners
cluster more with tropical Africans than the Middle Easterners as shown below..

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2) Trinkhaus uses the term "modern" to refer to
samples from the Dynastic eras, not today's 20th cen Arabized types.
But it would not matter if he referred to 20th
century Egyptians given the range of variation in
Egypt, particularly southern Egypt.

Looks like you strike out again Nord.. Even Der
Fuhrer cannot help you..

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Djehuti
Member # 6698
 - posted
^ Yes, I was just about to say that Modern Egyptians vary and that while most Egyptians are of mixed ancestry, especially in the Delta, there are still some Egyptians in rural areas who have preserved their ancient (black) phenotype.

Speaking of which...
quote:
Originally posted by the lyinass:

the race known as "fully African"

I never said 'race' lyinass, so don't put words into my posting. [Wink]
 
dana marniche
Member # 13149
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by the lioness:
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^^^^^this guy looks half negro

Agreed - and he probably is. lol!
 
dana marniche
Member # 13149
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by White Nord:
When debating another loon on this topic he presents a quotation (I guess from here) that states that modern Egyptians cluster biologically Sub Saharan Africans, yet still manage to look the way that they due. Here is the quote.

quote:
"The biological characteristics of modern
Egyptians show a north-south cline, reflecting
their geographic location between sub-Saharan
Africa and the Levant. This is expressed in DNA,
blood groups, serum proteins and genetic
disorders (Filon 1996; Hammer et al. 1998; Krings
et al. 1999). They can also be expressed in
phenotypic characteristics that can be identified
in teeth and bones (Crichton 1966; Froment 1992;
Keita 1996). These characteristics include head
form, facial and nasal characteristics, jaw
relationships, tooth size, morphology and
upper/lower limb proportions. In all these
features, Modern Egyptians resemble Sub-Saharan
Africans (Howells 1989, Keita 1995)."

-- Smith, P. (2002) The palaeo-biological
evidence for admixture between populations in the
southern Levant and Egypt in the fourth to third
millennia BCE. in E.C.M van den Brink and TE Levy, eds.
Egypt and the Levant: interrelations from the 4th through the
3rd millenium, BCE. Leicester Univ Press: 2002, 118-28

Despite having biological affinities with Sub Saharan Africans they still manage to look like this

 -

This shoots down the assertions made by these Afrobush dumbasses who use quotes that say the same damn thing about ancient Egyptians, which they think helps proves that they didn't look like the protesters in the picture.

The dumbass that I was debating also referenced this chart on limb proportions

 -

This once again proves that despite having so called "Negroid" limb proportions modern Northern Egyptians still look like this



Actually this photograph emphasizes the northern Egyptian Levant connection which is indisputable, although i see some "negroid" traits..

Course, when you get away from Cairo, Alexandria and other large cities which had been inundated by people from the Levant the appearance is usually different. [Razz]

Don't get it twisted not all modern Egyptians have African limb proportions. The study was speaking mainly of ancient Egyptians. [Roll Eyes]
 
dana marniche
Member # 13149
 - posted
"Non of this **** refutes the fact that Greeks and Scandinavians were found to be closer to the Egyptian and Nubians than other Africans you dumb fucks! "

Where have I heard this before White Nord?lol!

Sounds like back in 2010, no?

When one gets frustrated one can take a deep breath and say WHOOOO sah. I know they do that in America sometimes, especially us Negro-ids. [Smile]
 
Truthcentric
Member # 3735
 - posted
quote:
Originally posted by White Nord:
When debating another loon on this topic he presents a quotation (I guess from here) that states that modern Egyptians cluster biologically Sub Saharan Africans, yet still manage to look the way that they due. Here is the quote.

quote:
"The biological characteristics of modern
Egyptians show a north-south cline, reflecting
their geographic location between sub-Saharan
Africa and the Levant. This is expressed in DNA,
blood groups, serum proteins and genetic
disorders (Filon 1996; Hammer et al. 1998; Krings
et al. 1999). They can also be expressed in
phenotypic characteristics that can be identified
in teeth and bones (Crichton 1966; Froment 1992;
Keita 1996). These characteristics include head
form, facial and nasal characteristics, jaw
relationships, tooth size, morphology and
upper/lower limb proportions. In all these
features, Modern Egyptians resemble Sub-Saharan
Africans (Howells 1989, Keita 1995)."

-- Smith, P. (2002) The palaeo-biological
evidence for admixture between populations in the
southern Levant and Egypt in the fourth to third
millennia BCE. in E.C.M van den Brink and TE Levy, eds.
Egypt and the Levant: interrelations from the 4th through the
3rd millenium, BCE. Leicester Univ Press: 2002, 118-28


I should note that the osteological studies Smith cites (e.g. Keita 1996) were all done on ancient rather than modern remains. Why she calls them modern, I have no idea.
 
Djehuti
Member # 6698
 - posted
^ I think she meant as 'modern' as in Anatomically Modern Humans as opposed to a pre-modern homonid ancestor. At least that's what I'm guessing she meant.
quote:
Originally posted by dana marniche:

"Non of this **** refutes the fact that Greeks and Scandinavians were found to be closer to the Egyptian and Nubians than other Africans you dumb fucks! "

Where have I heard this before White Nord?lol!

Sounds like back in 2010, no?

When one gets frustrated one can take a deep breath and say WHOOOO sah. I know they do that in America sometimes, especially us Negro-ids. [Smile]

Indeed. Wasn't it WhiteNerd who claimed Nubians were negroids, now he says they cluster along with the Egpytians closer to Scandinavians?! LOL We can see the guy is the one fucked up in the head! [Smile]
 
xm
Member # 19601
 - posted
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zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova
Member # 15718
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More "self defeating" quotes..
Make the most of them!

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