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There's been a lot of talk about the A-Group in Lower Nubia and its possible contributions to early Egyptian civilization, but do we know anything about Upper Nubia past the 3rd cataract during the same time period (4000-3000 BC)? All I've been able to find is some information on the Pre-Kerma culture:
However, this is only one archaeological site near Kerma, and it's not that far into Upper Nubia. I would like to see some information on more upriver Nubian cultures (i.e. the area between Napata and Meroe). Maybe there were some important kingdoms in that area that were similar to Ta-Seti (assuming the whole area wasn't under Ta-Seti's influence sphere).
Truthcentric Member # 3735
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Speaking of Kerma, here's a sketch of ancient Nubian art recovered from that area:
kenndo Member # 4846
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In the show the wonders of the african world it is mention that the pre-kerma goes back to at least 5000BC. The book put out by prof. gates has some info on this too and few recent books like Daily Life of the Nubians.
The problem is the problems in sudan like wars etc...
kenndo Member # 4846
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Southern nubia before the later kush kingdom needs more looking into too.
This region was never conqured by ancient egypt and this is were the later kushite kings came from after lower and upper nubia was freed from egypt.
claus3600 Member # 19584
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Are there any Kushite depictions of themselves and the Egyptians in a distinctly Kushite style? Or is Kushire art the same as Egyptian art?
kenndo Member # 4846
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Read some of the books,it will answer your questions.
It's best to read the books to get your answers.
I have not read the last two yet,but it looks really interesting.
The kingdom of Kush: the Napatan and Meroitic empires -
Derek A. Welsby
________________________________ I have not read all of this one yet by Laszlo,only some of yet.
Handbook of Oriental Studies. the Near and Middle East, the Kingdom of Kush: Handbook by Laszlo Torok. ________________________________
Ancient Nubia: Egypt's Rival in Africa. David O'Conner
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Daily life of the Nubians. Robert S. Bianchi
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A follow up.
At empire's edge: exploring Rome's Egyptian frontier
Hellenizing Art in Ancient Nubia 300 B.C. - AD 250 and its Egyptian Models. A Study in "Acculturation" by László Török
Presenting a large body of evidence for the first time, this book offers a comprehensive treatment of Nubian architecture, sculpture, and minor arts in the period between 300 BC-AD 250. It focuses primarily on the Nubian response to the traditional pharaonic, Hellenistic/Roman, Hellenizing, and “hybrid” elements of Ptolemaic and Roman Egyptian culture. The author begins with a history of Nubian art and a critical survey of the literature on Ptolemaic and Roman Egyptian art. Special chapters are then devoted to the discussion of the Egyptian-Greek interaction in the arts of Ptolemaic … read moreEgypt, the place of Egyptian Hellenistic and Hellenizing art within the oikumene, the pluralistic visual world of Ptolemaic and Roman Egypt, as well as on the specific genre of terracotta sculpture. Utilizing examples from Meroe City and Musawwarat es Sufra, the author argues that cultural transfer from Ptolemaic and Roman Egypt to Nubia resulted in an inward-focused adaptation. Therefore, the resulting Nubian art from this period expresses only those aspects of Egyptian and Greek art that are compatible with indigenous Nubian goals.
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Dude I so want the Daily Life of the Nubians by Bianchi... SOO BAD!!
Truthcentric Member # 3735
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quote:Originally posted by claus3600: Are there any Kushite depictions of themselves and the Egyptians in a distinctly Kushite style? Or is Kushire art the same as Egyptian art?
Dunno about Kushite depictions of Egyptians, but here's how the Kushites depicted themselves:
the lioness Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: Dude I so want the Daily Life of the Nubians by Bianchi... SOO BAD!!
this one is more important:
Handbook of Oriental Studies. the Near and Middle East, the Kingdom of Kush: Handbook by Laszlo Torok.
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Djehuti Member # 6698
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quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: There's been a lot of talk about the A-Group in Lower Nubia and its possible contributions to early Egyptian civilization, but do we know anything about Upper Nubia past the 3rd cataract during the same time period (4000-3000 BC)? All I've been able to find is some information on the Pre-Kerma culture:
However, this is only one archaeological site near Kerma, and it's not that far into Upper Nubia. I would like to see some information on more upriver Nubian cultures (i.e. the area between Napata and Meroe). Maybe there were some important kingdoms in that area that were similar to Ta-Seti (assuming the whole area wasn't under Ta-Seti's influence sphere).
Upper Nubia especially around the Khartoum area was the home of the Khartoum Mesolithic Culture which later gave rise to the Khartoum Neolithic and the Abkan Culture further east to the Red Sea coast. An excellent example of the Khartoum Neolithic would be the Kadruka site.
There is actually a lot of new finds being made by Nubiologists here are just a few sources...
The above source shows how the neolithic in Sudan was of local origin, that is the natives made use of local grasses and grains and only adopted Near-Eastern varieties later on from the A-Group who in turn got from the Faiyum Neolithic. The economy was for the most part pastoral.
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SOO BAD!!
