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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [qb] [b]Sorry but the term white is used only for Tuareg and related Fulani peoples in Africa. That is why Leo Africanus and others use it for the Sanhaja and Yantararas Tuareg. THe term for your people was "red" in Africa as well as Arabia. Funny you should post the picture of the Swedish Kabyle girl wearing the dress similar to modern Gereeks and people of the Balkans. Vandals became quite numerous in North AFrica and Turks also settled in the same region that is why many of the Kabyle women look like Albanians, Swedes, and Central East Asians. You said and I said, "Reportedly 80,000 strong, many settled in among the Kabyle after their little empire was crushed. Thats a documented fact." Try telling Lyin_ss that. IT IS MY EXACT POINT> LET VANDALS BE VANDALS AND BERBERS BE BERBERS! The Berbers of Kabylia included two still black groups known as the Kitama and Sanhaja. They had nothing to do with Germanic people who have also influenced North Africa. The below are all inhabitants of Kabylia. One of these folks is a lot like the others one of these folks ....well you answer. Like I've said before Berber kabyles were not Vandals and Romans in Kabyles Keep trying to tell me these people came from the same Africans. keep trying to tell me that the colonialists did not speak of two separate peoples in the kabyles. One were dark and near black in color and one the less populous - according to them were not.[/b] The Tuareg and Fulanis are not WHite. Ibn Battuta refered to himself as "white" man and cleary his use of the term clearly shows that he percived a psiological difference along racial lines. Observe. "Travellers in this region needed neither money nor food for their trip. Instead, they carried slabs of salt, glass trinkets [beads] and perfumery, which they traded for their needs. The local blacks had millet porridge, chicken, milk, rice, flour and fonio to trade. Battuta warned that the rice was bad for white men, and wrote that the fonio was better. Ten days from Walata, they reached the village of Zaghari, where black merchants called Wanjarata lived. There was also a community of white Muslim Kharrijite followers of the Ibadi called the Saghanagbu. Zaghari was tributary to Malli." He finds the difference significant enough that he doesn't think they should eat the same foods. And how did the Blonde Berber girl manage to preserve such European features down to this day, as if she has no Black admixture?? Face it the Vandals and others were asorbed by Berbers long ago, and today that is part of WHO THEY ARE. And one thing that is hardly ever mentioned is aside from the European slaves brought by the Barbary pirates, there was also many Black slave brought from the Southern Sahara. And this is where I believe is the origin of the Black Kabyles. Also these postcards prbably date no earlier than the 1880's. White slavery ended generations before that. So then I ask you what happend to all of these Black Kabyles?? Why don't we see them today. [/qb][/QUOTE]The Tuareg Yantasir and Lamtuna and other Tuareg tribes are called "white" by the Arabic writers MELCHIOR - you just posted it just like I posted it many times before. :confused: I am sorry you didn't know the Aulamidden Tuareg and the Lamtuna are the Tuareg i.e. Sanhaja Berber peoples, and remnants of the Numidians if we are to believe Leo Africanus, who also calls them (the TUAREG)white. Similarly, the Abyssinians and Somali are called "white" in Arab sources. Just as I walked into an Ivory Coast African party in Harlem one day and someone started whispering what is that white girl doing here. I am sorry to bust your bubble, but that is what "white" meant to Africans and Arabs (another people who once looked like Africans). BTW the European looking probably Germanic or Greek descended girl you posted probably doesn't have any ancient African blood whatsoever. lol! You are exactly right! BTW - I never said the Berbers didn't absorb Vandal people just as I would never say the Vandals in Africa haven't absorbed the Berber people. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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