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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by melchior7: [qb] Dana Marniche [b]The Tuareg Yantasir and Lamtuna and other Tuareg tribes are called "white" by the Arabic writers MELCHIOR - you just posted it just like I posted it many times before. I am sorry you didn't know the Aulamidden Tuareg and the Lamtuna are the Tuareg i.e. Sanhaja Berber peoples, and remnants of the Numidians if we are to believe Leo Africanus, who also calls them (the TUAREG)white. Similarly, the Abyssinians and Somali are called "white" in Arab sources. Just as I walked into an Ivory Coast African party in Harlem one day and someone started whispering what is that white girl doing here. I am sorry to bust your bubble, but that is what "white" meant to Africans and Arabs (another people who once looked like Africans). BTW the European looking probably Germanic or Greek descended girl you posted probably doesn't have any ancient African blood whatsoever. lol! You are exactly right! BTW - I never said the Berbers didn't absorb Vandal people just as I would never say the Vandals in Africa haven't absorbed the Berber people. [/b] I do know that Tuaregs initailly lived further north and that there current phenotype is believed to be due to recent admixture with Sub Saharan peoples. So maybe during the time of Africanus the ones he say were light skinned. reagrdless I'm not buying your attempt to tweak the meaning of the word White. Perhaps it minght be usueful to know what the Moor africanus looked like himself. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Leo_africanus.jpg[/IMG] Certianly with regard to his own light coloration,if indeed the picture is authentic it would be asurd for him to call someone darker than himself, WHITE. If you akcnowledge that they were light skiined descentdants of Vandals or Byzantines roaming around, which apparently you do, then Leo Africanus had a pretty good point of reference on which to base his phenotypical descriptions. So if the blond berber girl doesn't have any African mixture then this implies some kind of Aparthied among berbers down through the centuries? Is this what your implying. Yet their DNA clearly shows mixture. Hmmmmm. "BTW - I never said the Berbers didn't absorb Vandal people just as I would never say the Vandals in Africa haven't absorbed the Berber people" They either did or didn't. In fact Eurasian mtDNA is so prevalent among Berbers it's oneone of their defining triats. To screen out Berbers with Eurasian admixture would leave you with hardly anybody. As we say on Topix, watchu gonna do?? [/qb][/QUOTE]I'm not tweaking anything Melchior i repeated what you said about the Tuareg people who are still called whites in parts of Africa just like the Fulani are called whites. Don't put that on me. BTW - nobody attributes the dark -skin of the Sanhaja or Tuareg to their coming south but white people like you who want to put themselves in their place. Tuareg are an Afro-Asiatic people from East Africa who like AFro-Americans have absorbed some whites during their long stay along the coasts and inland regions of North Africa and nothing you EURONUTS write is going to change that. ' That's why these descendants of the Lam and Lamtuna or Sanhaja, Kutama, Luwata were called black for centuries by you came along. "The Berber women are from the island of Barbara, which is between the west and the south. Their color is mostly black though some pale ones can be found among them. If you can find one whose mother is of Kutama, whose father is of Sanhaja, and whose origin is Masmuda, then ..." 11th century A>D> Byzantine Arab Ibn Butlan of Iraq [/QB][/QUOTE]
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