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[QUOTE]Originally posted by KingMichael777: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by KingMichael777: [qb] True. But were there really west Africans, south Africans and people from the great lake region in Egypt? [/qb][/QUOTE]Not necessarily. However the Egyptians obviously share a [i]common ancestry[/i] with all these groups. [i]The period when sub-Saharan Africa was most influential in Egypt was a time when neither Egypt, as we understand it culturally, nor the Sahara, as we understand it geographically, existed. [b]Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north. The culture of Upper Egypt, which became dynastic Egyptian civilization, could fairly be called a Sudanese transplant.[/b] Egypt rapidly found a method of disciplining the river, the land, and the people to transform the country into a titanic garden. Egypt rapidly developed detailed cultural forms that dwarfed its forebears in urbanity and elaboration. Thus, when new details arrived, they were rapidly adapted to the vast cultural superstructure already present. On the other hand, pharaonic culture was so bound to its place near the Nile that its huge, interlocked religious, administrative, and formal structures could not be readily transferred to relatively mobile cultures of the desert, savanna, and forest. The influence of the mature pharaonic civilizations of Egypt and Kush was almost confined to their sophisticated trade goods and some significant elements of technology. [b]Nevertheless, the religious substratum of Egypt and Kush was so similar to that of many cultures in southern Sudan today that it remains possible that fundamental elements derived from the two high cultures to the north live on.[/b][/i]--Joseph O. Vogel (1997) As for the Great Lakes Region, are you aware that early Egyptologist Sir E.A. Wallis Budge (1857-1934) held such a theory for Egyptian origins? [i]It is impossible for me to believe that Egyptian is a Semitic language fundamentally. There are a very large number of words that are not Semitic and were never invented by a Semitic people. These words were invented by one of the oldest African people of the Nile valley of whose written language we have any remains. Their home lay far to the south, [b]and all that we know of Predynastic Egypt suggests that it was in the neighborhood of the Great Lakes.[/b][/i] EW Budge, [i]Hieroglyphic Dictionary[/i], Dover, 1920. As for West Africans, as I said two primary strands of genetic evidence is the presence of associated West African lineage E1b1a in southern Egypt as well as Benin form of sickle cell anemia in Egypt especially in the oases areas. [QUOTE][qb]interesting... But some people say west Africans come from the Sahara when it wasn't dry. [/qb][/QUOTE]Yes there is an abundance of evidence of occupation in the Sahara during the Holocene wet phase. There are neolithic cemeteries and even megaliths or remnants of such throughout the western Sahara and there are oral legends among West Africans of coming from further north or east. And let's not forget that there are West Africans who speak Afroasiatic languages specifically Chadic languages. [i]"It is possible from this overview of the data to conclude that the limited conceptual vocabulary shared by the ancestors of contemporary Chadic-speakers (therefore also contemporary Cushitic-speakers), contemporary Nilotic-speakers and Ancient Egyptian-speakers suggests that the earliest speakers of the Egyptian language could be located to the south of Upper Egypt (Diakonoff 1998) or, earlier, in the Sahara (Wendorf 2004), where Takács (1999, 47) suggests their ‘long co-existence’ can be found. In addition, it is consistent with this view to suggest that the northern border of their homeland was further than the Wadi Howar proposed by Blench (1999, 2001), which is actually its southern border.[b] Neither Chadics nor Cushitics existed at this time, but their ancestors lived in a homeland further north than the peripheral countries that they inhabited thereafter, to the south-west, in a Niger-Congo environment, and to the south-east, in a Nilo-Saharan environment, where they interacted and innovated in terms of language. From this perspective, the Upper Egyptian cultures were an ancient North East African ‘periphery at the crossroads’, as suggested by Dahl and Hjort-af-Ornas of the Beja (Dahl and Hjort-af-Ornas 2006).[/b] The most likely scenario could be this: some of these Saharo-Nubian populations spread southwards to Wadi Howar, Ennedi and Darfur; some stayed in the actual oases where they joined the inhabitants; and others moved towards the Nile, directed by two geographic obstacles, the western Great Sand Sea and the southern Rock Belt. Their slow perambulations led them from the area of Sprinkle Mountain (Gebel Uweinat) to the east – Bir Sahara, Nabta Playa, Gebel Ramlah, and Nekhen/Hierakonpolis (Upper Egypt), and to the north-east by way of Dakhla Oasis to Abydos (Middle Egypt).[/i]"--Anselin (2009) [/qb][/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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