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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lyinass: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by KingMichael777: http://picturestack.com/757/776/A8hPicture4m3r.png IMO..Some look like horners. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: ^That is because most of them probably have Horner (and 'Zanj') ancestry. There have been mtDNA studies where Yemeni's cluster with Horners before they cluster with other Eurasians. Arabian Vedda populations are a good example of indigenous black Arabs that don't owe their blackness to African admixture. There are undoubtedly other dark skinned Arabian populations whose dark skin predates African admixture, but good luck proving it without genetic analysis. [/qb][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Right. And nobody is doubting the the obvious historical fact of recent geneflow between the Horn and Arabia. [QUOTE]lyinass posted: [qb] [IMG]http://www.matt-gibson.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Sri-Lanka-Dambana-Vedda1.jpeg[/IMG] what is the name of an indigenous African tribe that you have a picture of more than one adult male in a group that has hair of the type this man in the picture has? or is it hypothetical? This man would not be mistaken for a contemporary African in my opinion [/qb][/QUOTE]Yeah, and we all know you have a lot of opinions as opposed to FACTS. Also, what does it matter about the man's 'hair'?! [b]LOL[/b] Either way, he and his people of Sri-Lanka have NO recent ties to modern Southern Arabians or Africans. So your point is null. [QUOTE][qb]Your logic here is inconistent. Swenet had said " Arabian Vedda populations are a good example of indigenous black Arabs " You say they are from Sri Lanka. But you don't say the negritos are related to Andamanese or Aeta. That's arbitrary. The Vedda could have been indigenous to Arabia before they got to Sri Lanka. Or both the Vedda and the negrito of Arabia are not native to Arabia. [/qb][/QUOTE][b]LMAO[/b] Again your ignorance befuddles you. I know what Swenet said, and better yet unlike YOU, I know what he meant when he said "Vedda". He meant the populations of Arabia who were 'Vedda-like' as Western anthropologists described them. Still, these Arabian peoples are NOT the actual Vedda [i]proper[/i] of Sri-Lanka but an entirely different people! As I stated, there are peoples in southern Arabia that were also described by Westerners as 'Negrito' but that does not mean they have direct ties to the Negritos of the Andamans or the Philippines, anymore than the Arabian 'Veddoids' have connections to the Veddas of Sri-Lanka! The very terms 'Vedda' and 'Negrito' as racial terms have no validity anymore than the term 'Caucasian' does; therefore using these terms to describe peoples other than the [i]original[/i] ethnic groups these terms were made for is essentially erroneous. As for ancestors of the Veddas being present in Arabia before reaching Sri-Lanka, the same can be said of ANY Eurasian group! Thus the prehistoric ancestors of a people are NOT the same as their descendants, dummy! [QUOTE][b] Al-Akhdam people in Yemen [IMG]http://picturestack.com/760/109/yHFPicture6drb.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://picturestack.com/760/109/dgrPicture78md.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Akhdam_children_Taizz.jpg/800px-Akhdam_children_Taizz.jpg[/IMG] Akhdam children in a Ta'izz neighborhood.[/b] [b]Al-Akhdam[/b] [i] population: 500,000–1,000,000 Sana'a, Aden, Ta'izz, Lahij, Abyan, Al Hudaydah, Al Mukalla Al-Akhdam, Akhdam or Achdam (singular Khadem, meaning "servant" in Arabic; also called Al-Muhamasheen, "the marginalized ones") is a social group in Yemen, distinguished from the majority by its members' Negrito-like physical features and stature. They are considered to be at the very bottom of the societal ladder and are mostly confined to menial jobs in the country's major cities. The exact origins of Al-Akhdam are uncertain. One popular account holds that they are descendants of soldiers who accompanied the Abyssinian army during the latter's occupation of Yemen in the pre-Islamic period. Once the Abyssinian troops were finally expelled at the start of the Muslim era, some of the soldiers are said to have remained behind, giving birth to the Akhdam. Another theory maintains that they are of Veddoid origin. Anthropologists such as Vombruck suggest that Yemen's history and social hierarchy that developed under various regimes, including the Zaydi Imamate, created a caste-like society. Though their social conditions have improved somewhat in modern times, Al-Akhdam are still stereotyped by mainstream Yemeni society; they have been called lowly, dirty, immoral and untouchables. They form a kind of hereditary caste at the very bottom of Yemeni social strata. Many NGOs and charitable organizations from other countries such as CARE International are working toward improving the living circumstances of the Akhdam. Genetic studies by Lehmann (1954) and Tobias (1974) noted the sickle cell trait at high frequencies amongst the Akhdam. According to Lehmann, this suggests a biological link with the Veddoids of South Asia, who also have a high incidence of the trait.[/i] __________________________________________ [qb] http://idsn.org/country-information/yemen/ Video Yemen's 'untouchables' doubtful of change http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioprld4eVn4&feature=player_embedded My sympathies go out to these people on the way they are marginalized. My guess on their ancestry is that they come from more than one place, from Africa as well as from regions east of Arabia [/qb][/QUOTE]We all know about the Akhdam as their identity and plight was discussed numerous times in this forum. And again, your own "guess" does not matter at all, only the facts do! Their form of sickle-cell is known as the Arab-Indian HBS and is shared by peoples in both Arabia [i]and[/i] India regardless of phenotype and it is still unknown from which region the allele arose. Also, the Akhdam are not the only 'Negrito' group in Arabia. The Qarra were also traditionally described as 'Negrito'. [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2536/3952871557_8bcaa02766.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.jorgetutor.com/yemen/yemenis2/yemenis3.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/9h2kc6.jpg[/IMG] And so are the Hawt [IMG]http://i35.tinypic.com/6gyoa9.jpg[/IMG] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_90WFemwTIdQ/SwI69jUcNTI/AAAAAAAAAD8/SG-LzJNYbgc/s1600/111.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/mvj0k3.jpg But unlike the Akhdam, the Qarra and Hawt are not marginalized at all but are respected as ancient tribes of the Qahtani or southern division of Arabs. The Akhdam are marginalized primarily because they are considered non-Arab outcasts. The popular theory is that the Akhdam are descended from Ethiopian invaders of the 6th century CE, but the problem with this notion is that there are no archaeological traces tying them to 6th century Ethiopia. Furthermore their physical features are distinct from the Ethiopians/Eritreans across the straits. Even the poster/moderator Yom commented that their beardless faces and very short statures contrast them from the Eritrean peoples. And again, the genetic studies including the Arab-Indian HBS all point to indigenous origins. The likely hood is that the Akhdam represent an indigenous group of people who were not Semiticized/Arabized until relatively recently. They are not the only ones. There are several other groups in Arabia including the Sibyan in the north and certain coastal fishermen who are considered outcasts because their ancestry is considered non-Arab or non-Semitic. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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