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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] Where ever they are now, these alleles were all present in three Egyptian Africans two of whom's nrY chromosome is the deeply rooted African E-V38 (E1b1a) ancestral to E-M2 (now E1b1a1) "sub-Sahara" Africa's prevalent super-haplogroup. [QUOTE][b]Originally posted by Swenet:[/b] Beyoku shows that the Ugandan Nilo-Saharan speaking Karamojong in fact do have the alleles your software associates with Europeans. How do the European frequencies of D2S1338=15[/QUOTE]Karamojong_ Sweden_ NW Russia_ 0.006_______ 0.002__ 0.021_____ [QUOTE]and D13S317=9 compare to Karamojong frequencies[/QUOTE]Karamojong_ FR BASQUE_ France_ Sardinian_ Tuscan_ NW Spain_ Orkneys_ Sweden_ NW Russia_ Caucasus Adygei 0.042______ 0.022 ______ 0.107_ 0.089____ 0.063__ 0.046_____ 0.067___ 0.082___ 0.016_____ 0.107__________ [QUOTE]The former allele (D2S1338=15) occurs more often in African Americans than European Americans, per [URL=http://www.promega.com/products/pm/genetic-identity/population-statistics/allele-frequencies/]this link[/URL], and it also occurs at slightly higher rate in the Karamojong. The other one (D13S317=9) occurs more in European Americans than in African Americans and Karamojans according to the aforementioned link. [URL=http://library-resources.cqu.edu.au/JFS/PDF/vol_44/iss_6/JFS44634.pdf]This paper[/URL] seems to also agree with your software's conclusion of D13S317=9.[/QUOTE]I try to use only native European and African data. The popSTR resource is here -> http://spsmart.cesga.es/popstr.php [QUOTE] The drawback of 2/3 links I provide here is that the comparative samples are diasporal Africans who descend from West Africans. West Africa and the Sahel are not the best African regions to compare to Europe ...[/QUOTE]Again, popSTR's not robust. Randomness has its benefits. Zheng drew his conclusions from only three different African populations: * Luhya from Webuye Kenya * Yoruba * American SouthWest. Of course this is nothing on Zheng's scale but popSTR's benefit as a limited db is that its small size simulates a random collection without a priori strategy. [QUOTE]Originally posted by astenb: [URL=http://www.isfg.org/files/e94df91393c68ce21394acd2ff672376e02f5582.05014068_542237410511.pdf]Genetic analysis of autosomal and Y-specific STRs in the Karimojong population from Uganda[/URL] [IMG]http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb178/beyoku/Karamoja.png[/IMG] BTW, did you read my DNAconsultants.com thread before it got deleted a couple of weeks ago?[/QUOTE]NO they took it down before I could see it. Thanks for the below. [QUOTE] They detected Amerindian and Iberian links, just like you did, but they interpret all the Hawass2010 alleles they processed (three in total) as having originated in Central Africa (in deep time), and explain the relatively high doses of the alleles in Eurasia as admixture with Ancient Egyptians (probably way before the dynastic times) and so, ultimately with Central Africans. They call the alleles ''genes'', but they're the same alleles we're discussing here. Just something to keep in mind whenever these alleles appear in Eurasia; at least the ones analyzed by DNAconsultants are all indicative of contact with Africans: [URL=http://dnaconsultants.com/thuya-gene]Thuya gene analysed by DNAconsultant.com[/URL] [URL=http://dnaconsultants.com/king-tut-gene]Tut gene analysed by DNAconsultant.com[/URL] [URL=http://dnaconsultants.com/akhenaten-gene]Akhenaten gene analysed by DNAconsultant.com[/URL] [URL=http://dnaconsultants.com/egyptian-gene]Coptic gene (not found in the Amarna mummies) [/URL][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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