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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] ^ I don't know why you're citing studies on Central African speakers when the topic is on North Africans. As for the old Coon stuff, you're beginning to sound like Anglo-idiot. We know the phenotype of North Africans is diverse and one can easily point out Khoisan-like features among certain groups. And we know that what you and others call 'Australoid' features are merely archaic features which are preserved in a number of populations including groups in North Africa. More recent photos of North Africans who look San. [IMG]http://gallery.photo.net/photo/3456942-md.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.cigv.it/albums/Bandini/touareg.sized.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://geoimages.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/maroc/family2.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Djehuti[/b]: ^ It's funny you should mention the comparison to San because the rock art image I posted comes from the Atlas Mountains of Morocco! I guess you missed it when Amun-Ra first posted the pic on another thread. It was discovered in the Atlas Mountains by a Susan Searight. My point of posting that picture was that it probably gives us a clue as to how the indigenes of the Atlas Mountain area looked like. That it bears a striking resemblance to the art of South African San may be an indication of a commonality that reaches to times immemorial. That's why I asked if you know of Berber tribes in the area displaying such traits as steatopygea. In fact many Western anthropologists in a time not long ago postulated 'Bushmanoid' types as being aboriginal to North Africa.[/QUOTE]I saw it earlier. Other than those three features it tells me nothing about indigenous Atlas Moroccans except whoever these folk are they used bows. Posting images, charts, and graphs citationless and outside of context can be misleading. Guess I'll have to get Searight's book to learn about this piece. The Lioness posted some stuff I remember seeing long ago about NA phenotype similarities to Click speakers. Old school anthropology remarked on "Khoisan"- like people in NA. It was disputed and dropped but art like this and nrY DNA support the discredited idea. We need to revisit it. Sorry, I know no steatopygous NAs besides the usual phatasses nearly all populations can have. Whites seem to have developed it to some extent from eating meat raised on estrogen supplements. Also a precision. The lady is an Ait Mgoun (not Mgoum). [/qb][/QUOTE]Yeah, I admit years ago I used to entertain that old theory of old Khoisan groups in North Africa. Though 'Khoisan' is a poor choice of words, I do know that early populations in North Africa prior to the Holocene did share craniofacial traits with them as well as other Sub-Saharan groups so I don't know why the relation is limited to Southern African San only when there are populations immediately adjacent who are far more related. There are authors who postulate origins in East Africa for both southern African Khoisan and pre-Holocene North Africans. [i][b]In the sum, the results obtained further strengthen the results from previous analyses. The affinities between Nazlet Khater, MSA, and Khoisan and Khoisan related groups re-emerges.[/b] In addition it is possible to detect a separation between North African and sub-saharan populations, with the Neolithic Saharan population from Hasi el Abiod and the Egyptian Badarian group being closely affiliated with modern Negroid groups. Similarly, the Epipaleolithic populations from Site 117 and Wadi Halfa are also affiliated with sub-Saharan LSA, Iron Age and modern Negroid groups [b]rather than with contemporaneous North African populations such as Taforalt and the Ibero-maurusian[/b].[/i] -- Pierre M. Vermeersch (Author & Editor), 'Palaeolithic quarrying sites in Upper and Middle Egypt', [i]Egyptian Prehistory Monographs[/i] Vol. 4, Leuven University Press (2002). [i]Both hypotheses are compatible with the hypothesis proposed by Brothwell (1963) of [b]an East African proto-Khoisan Negro stock which migrated southwards and westwards at some time during the Upper Pleistocene, and replaced most of the local populations of South Africa. Under such circumstances, it is possible that the Nazlet Khater specimen is part of a relict population of this proto-Khoisan Negro stock which extended as far north as Nazlet Khater[/b] at least until the late part of the Late Pleistocene.[/i] --- The Position of the Nazlet Khater Specimen Among Prehistoric and Modern African and Levantine Populations, Ron Pinhasi, Departent of Biological Anthropology, University of Cambridge, U.K., Patrick Semal, Belgian Institute of Natural Sciences, Belgium; Journal of Human Evolution (2000) vol. 39. As for the rock painting, I don't know how old it's dated but note that there are many rock paintings throughout North Africa showing steatopygous forms. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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