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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Firewall: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Firewall: [qb] Modern sudan [/qb][/QUOTE]Huhmmmm, some Arabic tribes moved into Africa recently. Hence the o.p. posted Sample of Arab Nubians taken. You took out the Arab part, for some funny reason. [/qb][/QUOTE]I believe the sample was for the nubians of the nile valley that's why i took out the arab part,but you could be right and these could be the arab nubians,but one problem sudan does not have arab nubians in the census,only egypt has that. Sudan have arabized nubians but most are called arabs first like Gaalien etc...,but these would be called arabized nubians,but on the census they are just called arabs and not arab nubians. There are arabized hill nubians and darfur nubians but the only thing really arabized about then is that they speak arabic mostly first,but they still speak thier nubian language and thie rculture still still nubian,so i do not why they called arabized because thier culture is still mostly nubian,and they see themselves has nubian and in the census still are nubians. So arabized could mean varied things it seem. The sample was for the nile valley modern nubians of sudan. The other interesting thing is that there are more nubians outside the nile valley in sudan then in the nile,like the darfur nubians and hill nubians. I should have posted them instead,but some nubians of the nile valley of sudan do look like white arabs or turks so i guess when they i mean nubian these days it could be white or black,like hispanic,so i agree we have to be careful on who they are testing just like they do with late ancient egypt or modern egypt. Of course most nubians are still black but you do have some that do not look black in egypt and sudan and i was shocked when i first saw them on tv a few years ago calling themselves nubians,but they do not call themselves black i heard recently. So you do have nile nubians of egypt and sudan that are not really black,but nubians outside the nile in sudan,kenya,chad etc...are only black and i do not see any arab white looking types in those nubian groups. I GUESS they had enough of the few whites coming into the nile, like those arab invaders overtime and thier the brainwashed black arabs so they went further south and south west years to better protect themselves and doing a good job at. Here are links with out the arab part below dealing with the nile valley. Check it out. The info inside just says nubian,not arab nubian. Brief review of recent mtDNA H info http://leherensuge.blogspot.com/2009/04/brief-review-of-recent-mtdna-h-info.html and sudaneseonline.com /sdb/2bb.cgi?seq=msg&board=430&msg=1364754551&rn= http://www.sudaneseonline.com/cgi-bin/sdb/2bb.cgi?seq=msg&board=430&msg=1364754551&rn=88 [/qb][/QUOTE]Yeah, you're right that Nubian is just a cluster name. One should keep in mind that "Nubians", Southern Egyptians are endogamous people (who don't easily marry out) and always have been. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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