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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: My comments of ''Middle Eastern'' elements do not pertain to all of Christian Nubia. The 'Nubia' sample that keeps reappearing in Holiday's work is just a sample that happens to be admixed. The indigenousness of the [i]native[/i] Christian era Nubians, however, is not up for discussion. In fact, Christian era Nubians have more affinity with Sub-Saharan Africans than earlier C and A-group Nubians.[/QUOTE]You say some are admixted. That means one can't say the Christian era Nubians being indigenous is not up for discussion. According to what you are saying some Christian ear Nubians were indigenous and others were less than indigenous, so much so that their limb ratios approach Europeans. is Holliday misreprenting Nubians by not making this distinction? And is there other Christian ara Nubian data specifically on limb ratios that demonstrates some samples having limb ratios more tropical than AAs and AEs? cranio-facial data is a different metric one can only assume that corresponds to limb proportions [/qb][/QUOTE]Holiday has made at least two references to peculiarities in this Christian era sample. These peculiarities are well know in the literature and were observed well before Holiday started using this sample, and well before his limb data results confirmed what was written in those early reports. Also, please don't try to lecture me about the differences between non-metric data and limb data, as it'll lead to nowhere. I actually have a history of looking into this stuff--you don't. Your insinuation that the entire Christian era population needs to be revisited on the account of one peculiar sample reeks of bias. Christian era Northern Sudan would have attracted non African elements, just like Coptic Egypt and Christian Ethiopia. Changes in some samples should be expected given integration of new ideas and religious views around this time. Brauer 1980's craniometric plot may not be directly comparable with Hanihara's non-metric data, but Godde 2009's non-metric data sure is: [QUOTE]Scholars have identified a hiatus in the archaeological record of Lower Nubia that spans approximately 1000 years. This interval may represent a desertion of Lower Nubia by its inhabitants. Evidence of occupation did not reappear in the area until the Meroitic time period. However, the identity of the returning people has been the subject of speculation. In order to determine who the Meroites of Lower Nubia were, 20 cranial non-metric traits were observed on six Nubian groups, representing five time periods. Two groups date to time periods immediately before (Kerma) and immediately after (X-Group) the Meroitic period. Three additional Nubian groups [b](two Christian samples from different sites[/b] and Sesebi, a contemporary sample) were utilised as outgroups to elucidate a clearer picture of the relationship among the six samples. Mahalanobis D2 with a tetrachoric matrix was employed for calculating biological distances among the groups. Principal coordinates analysis produced two clusters of Nubians, where the Meroitics clustered with other Nubian groups. [i]Specific distance scores indicate the Meroites were biologically similar to individuals from the time periods prior to [b]and after[/b] their arrival in Lower Nubia.[/i] The Meroites therefore appear to be a Nubian group returning to Lower Nubia after its desertion. Copyright © 2009 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.[/QUOTE]--Godde 2009 [/QB][/QUOTE]
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