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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by BlessedbyHorus: [qb] Correct me as a the guy, but the argument on this thread is that one person doesn't understand that Eurasians are a subset of East Africans and because of that he/she believes East Africans are mixed? Again that is the argument that I am getting. And if that's the case; East Africans showing more genetic distant towards Eurasian's compared to other Africans does not mean East Africans are admixed or less Africans, but that Eurasians come from East Africans. [/qb][/QUOTE]Yes, but it's ***BOTH*** modern East and West Africans which share a common origin with Eurasians in Eastern Africa, not only modern Eastern Africans. Basically, both modern East and West Africans share a common origin in Northeastern Africa *after* the OOA migrations. [QUOTE] Using the principle of the phylogeographic parsimony, the resolution of the E1b1b trifurcation in favor of a common ancestor of E-M2 and E-M329 strongly supports the hypothesis that haplogroup E1b1 originated in eastern Africa, as previously suggested [10], and that [b]chromosomes E-M2, so frequently observed in sub-Saharan Africa, trace their descent to a common ancestor present in eastern Africa[/b] . [/QUOTE]-- from [URL=http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0016073]A New Topology of the Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup E1b1 (E-P2) Revealed through the Use of Newly Characterized Binary Polymorphisms (Trombetta 2011)[/URL] ^^^It's written black on white. Clear as water. [/qb][/QUOTE]So would you say its black and white that East Africans like Kikuyu, or East Africans like Hutu or Oromo are closer to Eurasians than Africans? [/qb][/QUOTE]Certainly not. Those people (Kikuyu, Hutu, Oromo, East Africans) are obviously African and they share a common origin with most other Africans like West Africans and Bantu at a time period after the OOA migrations. Your question doesn't even make sense. Are Kikuyu not Africans? Why do you say "than Africans", which they are themselves? I said ***BOTH*** modern East and West Africans which share a common origin with Eurasians. In other word, and as an example, Yoruba, Somali, Oromo, kikuyu, Igbo, Zulu, Kongo and Bantu people share a common origin with Eurasian. As they are from the Y-DNA CT and mtDNA L3 lineages in large part of their populations (lineages they share with OOA migrants). They also share other African lineages (L2a, L0a, etc). Africans like Aka-Mbuti-Twa-like people as well as Khoisan don't share those common CT and L3 lineages for the most part so are not related to OOA migrants beside through more recent admixtures. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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