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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Firewall: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Firewall: [qb] Modern sudan Now this is paternal only. Sample Nubians taken(Nile Valley) Nubians (Agriculturists; n=39; Nilo-Saharan, Eastern Sudanic) 3/39 = 7.7% B-M60 - Nilotic 3/39 = 7.7% E1b1b-M215(xE1b1b1a-M7.8. North East Africa 5/39 = 12.8% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa 1/39 = 2.6% E1b1b1a1b-V32 North East Africa 4/39 = 10.3% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M170, J-12f2, K-M9) Western Asia 2/39 = 5.1% I-M170 - Near East 16/39 = 41.0% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) - Arabic 1/39 = 2.6% J2-M172 -Arabic 4/39 = 10.3% R1b1-P25 - Chadic Nuba Hill Nubians and others.(Central sudan) (Nilo-Saharan, Eastern Sudanic) 46 % A3b2-M13 - Nilotic 14.2% B-M60 - Nilotic 14.2% E1b1b-M215(xE1b1b1a-M7.8. - North East Africa 25 % E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa Beja (Pastoralists; n=42; Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic?) 2/42 = 4.8% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic 7/42 = 16.7% E1b1b-M215(xE1b1b1a-M7.8. - North East Africa 2/42 = 4.8% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa 13/42 = 31.0% E1b1b1a1b-V32 -North East Africa 15/42 = 35.7% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic 1/42 = 2.4% J2-M172 -Arabic 2/42 = 4.8% R1b1-P25 - Chadic Arabs/Gaalien (Agriculturists; n=50; Afro-Asiatic, Semitic) 3/50 = 6.0% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic 3/50 = 6.0% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa 3/50 = 6.0% E1b1b1a1b-V32 North East Africa 3/50 = 6.0% E1b1b1a3-V22 North East Africa 5/50 = 10.0% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M 170, J-12f2, K-M9)Western Asia 2/50 = 4.0% I-M170 Near East 18/50 = 36.0% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic 2/50 = 4.0% J2-M172 Arabic 3/50 = 6.0% K-M9(xL-M11, O-M175, P-M74) Southwestern Asia 1/50 = 2.0% R1-M173(xR1b1-P25) Chadic 7/50 = 14.0% R1b1-P25 - Chadic Arabs/Meseria (Nomadic Pastoralists; n=28; Afro-Asiatic, Semitic) 1/28 = 3.6% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa 3/28 = 10.7% E1b1b1a1b-V32 North East Africa 3/28 = 10.7% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M170, J-12f2, K-M9) Western Asia 2/28 = 7.1% I-M170 - South West Asia 12/28 = 42.9% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic 7/28 = 25.0% R1b1-P25 - Chadic Arabs/Arakien (Agriculturists; n=24; Afro-Asiatic, Semitic) 2/24 = 8.3% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) - North East Africa 1/24 = 4.2% E1b1b1a1b-V32 North East Africa 1/24 = 4.2% E1b1b1a3-V22 North East Africa 2/24 = 8.3% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M170, J-12f2, K-M9) West Asia 16/24 = 66.7% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic 2/24 = 8.3% R1b1-P25 Chadic Sudanese Arab total: 3/102 = 2.9% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic 6/102 = 5.9% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) - North East Africa 7/102 = 6.9% E1b1b1a1b-V32 - North East Africa 4/102 = 3.9% E1b1b1a3-V22 - North East Africa 10/102 = 9.8% F-M89(xH1-M52, I-M170, J-12f2, K-M9) West Asia 4/102 = 3.9% I-M170 South West Asia 46/102 = 45.1% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic 2/102 = 2.0% J2-M172 - Arabic 3/102 = 2.9% K-M9(xL-M11, O-M175, P-M74) - South west Asia 1/102 = 1.0% R1-M173(xR1b1-P25) - Chadic 16/102 = 15.7% R1b1-P25 - Chadic Masalit (Agriculturists; n=32; Nilo-Saharan, Maban) 6/32 = 18.8% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic 1/32 = 3.1% B-M60 - Nilotic 1/32 = 3.1% E1b1b1a-M78(xE1b1b1a1-V12, E1b1b1a2-V13, E1b1b1a3-V22, E1b1b1a4-V65) - North East Africa 17/32 = 53.1% E1b1b1a1b-V32 - North East Africa 5/32 = 15.6% E1b1b1a3-V22 - North East Africa 2/32 = 6.3% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic Fur (Agriculturists; n=32; Nilo-Saharan, Fur) 10/32 = 31.3% A3b2-M13 - Nilotic 1/32 = 3.1% B-M60 - Nilotic 13/32 = 40.6% E1b1b1a1b-V32 - North East Africa 6/32 = 18.8% E1b1b1a3-V22 - North East Africa 2/32 = 6.3% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) - Arabic Copts (Agriculturists; n=33; Afro-Asiatic, Ancient Egyptian > Semitic) 5/33 = 15.2% B-M60 - Nilotic 2/33 = 6.1% E1b1b-M215(xE1b1b1a-M7.8. - North East Africa 5/33 = 15.2% E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa 13/33 = 39.4% J-12f2(xJ2-M172) Arabic 2/33 = 6.1% J2-M172 - Arabic 1/33 = 3.0% K-M9(xL-M11, O-M175, P-M74) - South West Asia 5/33 = 15.2% R1b1-P25 -- Chadic Sudanese (Pastoralist/AgriPastoralist Nilotes (Dinka, Nuer, Shilluk) Nilo-Saharan, Eastern Sudanic) A3B2 (28/53 = 52.8%), - Nilotic B(16/53 = 30.2%), -Nilotic E1b1b1a1 (V12+V22 +32)- 9/53 = 17.0%. - North East Africa http://sudanforum.net/showthread.php?p=1474128 http://leherensuge.blogspot.com/2009/04/brief-review-of-recent-mtdna-h-info.html ____________________________________________________________________ quote:Originally posted by Doctoris Scientia: Haplogroup J in itself is most likely African. J* peaks in territories near in or around Africa. J2-M172 is African ... J (Y-DNA), more than likely originated in East Africa also. J1 moved into Yemen, While J2 spread from Egypt into the Levant J1 were Nomads similar to the Beja and Tigre, While J2 were farmers in affiliation to Nile Valley populations. Areas like Socotra (a few miles outside off of Somalia) still have the highest % of J*. Both J1 and J2 have African origins... J*(xJ1, J2) is the oldest form of J ever found, it was found in and near Africa. 70% J* in Socotra (Cerny) 7.7% J* in Oman (Di Giacomo) According to the most recent studies, most of the "Eurasian" tagged haplogroups developed either in Africa or originated among populations who spanned between both "Southwest Asia" and Africa. [/qb][/QUOTE]I have not wrote anything in awhile here. [QUOTE] Both J1 and J2 have African origins... [/QUOTE]So this would be incorrect? J1 and J2 is not african? Anyway it seems to me that while most sudanese arabs do have euro-asian admixture from info i have seen far overtime,most sudanese do not have euro-asian admixture,and i am talking about northern sudan. There are other africans in northern sudan that are not arab and did not mix with arabs. I posted some info about the sudanese nubians too on the first page as well. Topic: Nubian aDNA: what the hell is stopping ES members from claiming CL Fox 1997? http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=008387;p=6 [/QB][/QUOTE]
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