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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: The problem is that Amun-Ra tries to identify the DNA Tribes findings with Obenga's Negro-Egyptien when the genetic data has nothing to do with linguistic groupings [/QUOTE]This is not true. That's not what I'm doing. Everybody reading this thread can see I'm not the one who introduced the genetic argument first. Since I have shown how flimsy is Swenet genetic argument, now if we listen to Djehuti and Truthcentric, we're supposed to ignore genetic evidences altogether! We're suppose to ignore that Negro-Egyptian descendants share close genetic distance between one another, share the same E/E-P2 lineages and concentrate instead on the small amount of E-M35 lineage in some Semitic speakers in the Middle East! I will repeat it again. The main arguments that make me believe that Semitic languages are not related to Chadic, Cushitic and Ancient Egyptians languages are linguistic. Although Archeological data, genetic data and other linguistic data (homeland of languages in the Negro-Egyptian phylum) does support the hypothesis that the homeland of the Negro-Egyptian language phylum is somewhere in the region in or around Sudan. For example, Ehret and Obenga place the origin of the Niger-Kordofanian (Niger-Congo/Bantu), Nilo-Saharans and Cushitic/Chadic from the debunked Afro-Asiatic phylum in the area in or close to Sudan/East Africa. Genetic evidence also support the hypothesis of the common origin of people speaking the Proto-Negro-Egyptian language somewhere in the region of Sudan/Ethiopia/East Africa. The fact that descendants of the Negro-Egyptian language have a close genetic distance are a proof of common origin. This common ancestry is not recent as Swenet tries to pull without any proof whatsoever. Archeological evidence also support the idea that the Sahara (and most of North Africa/Sinai desert) was arid and inhabitable during the period prior to the Holocene. Making any exchange including language exchange between the Near East and Africa not probable in that time period that is prior to the Holocene (and posterior to previous wet phases). Negro-Egyptian speakers have a common origin in Sudan/Eastern Africa. Many of the people where from the E and E-P2 (e1b1) Y-DNA lineages which also have it's origin in the region. A simple overview of the E-P2 y-DNA family. It's from Wiki but provide a simple and true overview of the E-P2 haplogroup. [QUOTE] [b]Haplogroup E-P2 (Y-DNA)[/b] [b]Possible time of origin[/b] 17,400 - 38,200 years BP [b]Possible place of origin[/b] East Africa [b]Defining mutations[/b] DYS391p, L337, L339, L342, L487, L492, L613, P2/PN2, P179, P180, P181 In human population genetics, haplogroups define the major lineages of direct paternal (male) lines back to a shared common ancestor in Africa. E-P2 is the most dominant Y-Chromosome lineage in Africa and exists at lower frequencies in the Middle East and Europe. The lineage is thought to have originated in or near modern day Ethiopia. [b]Origin[/b] E-P2 is likely to have originated in the highlands of East Africa's Ethiopia, as this is the place with the high frequency of ancestral subclades of this haplogroup. E-P2 is the ancestor of the majority of E subclade lineages existing today. It has diverged into two subclades: E-V38 and E-M215 approximately 24-27,000 years ago (Cruciani et al. 2004). Trombetta et al. 2011, further confirmed the previously suggested place of origin of this haplogroup by stating: [i]The new topology here reported has important implications as to the origins of the haplogroup E-P2. Using the principle of the phylogeographic parsimony, the resolution of the E-M215 trifurcation [b]in favor of a common ancestor of E-M2 and E-M329 strongly supports the hypothesis that haplogroup E-P2 originated in eastern Africa, as previously suggested, and that chromosomes E-M2, so frequently observed in sub-Saharan Africa, trace their descent to a common ancestor present in eastern Africa.[/b] [2] [/i] [/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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