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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] The destruction of lyinass continues ala Troll Patrol. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [IMG]http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb178/beyoku/SiwaY-dna.png[/IMG] How come the E1b1b1b [b](M81) [/b] for Moroccan and Algerian berbers is no less than 71. but Egyptian Siwa is only 1.1 ? -see [/qb][/QUOTE]I see, Djehuti responded before, but I will respond to it as well. It was addressed before, suggested was a bottleneck effect, causing genetic drift. Siwans carry E-M183 which is the parent clade of E-M81, as was explained before. E-M78 is more local to Northeast Africa, while E-M81 is more local to and basically only found in Northwest Africa. Therefore using the definition "North Africans" or "North Africa" is an erroneous one in my opinion. Even thou they in cosmetic appearance look somewhat alike, there are still ethnic differences. May I remind you that Tuaregs carry older stems and relate to the Beja. Siwans look somewhat like Bejas in appearance, but reside in a different location. While the Berber sub-clade of E-M81 is relatively young. Likely this mutation of E-M81 deals with migration levels by these early pastoralists into different terrains. Map it and you'll see it correlates with the climatic changes. See again: [QUOTE] E1b1b1b (E-M81) is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in the Maghreb, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in the area of North Africa 5,600 years ago (Cruciani et al. 2004, Arredi et al. (2004)). [/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]Absolutely correct. We have been telling the lyinass twit how many times already that Northwest Africa and Northeast Africa have different genetic histories as you say 'North Africa' in general fails to convey the nuances of the diverse populations living therein the region. We also told the twit that Berber does NOT mean Maghreb and the since there are Berbers who live outside the Maghreb such as the Siwa who live in northeast Africa (Egypt) and the Tuareg who possess deep clades are nomads who range from the Maghreb to the Sahel. The converse is also true-- Maghreb does not mean Berber as there are many peoples of Levantine and European ancestry who have either assimilated into Berber society or are not Berber at all like 'Arabs' and Euro-colonists. [QUOTE][qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: BTW - everyone knows "Turkish" Ottoman sultans and their followers took over North Africa, Arabia and even parts of the Levant several centuries ago. The jealousy of you Euronutzies doesn't end - does it. ;) [/qb][/QUOTE]I think the dark skinned people Djehutie put up are beautiful but you need to follow the aguments being made in this thread. You say : everyone knows "Turkish" Ottoman sultans and their followers took over North Africa. You are of the opinion that the Magheb is primarily Arab. The charcteristic haplogoup of Arabs is J. That aside, xyyman and Troll do no think the Maghreb is primarily Arab. They cite some articles saying things like some Tunisians are 100% "Maghrebian" genetically, the "berber gene" They think it is primarily African and that Maghrebians like Tunisians, Libyans Algerians etc. on average are more related to Sahelans than they are to Arabs/Levantines/Turks/Portugese. All the pie charts from DNATribes that you said you agreed with earlier, they disagree with. I disagree and think they are misinterpreting these articles [/qb][/QUOTE]The Magreb is a complex region, there are many ethnic groups. The people as posted by Djehuti are mostly at the South. Of the Magreb, while the people you're showing are mostly at the North at coastal regions. These Northern regions had invasions, which explains the admixture. And Djehuti is correct, the people you post up could be of Arab or Turkish descent, or even Spanish or Portuguese, since there have been colonies by them as well. [b]Turkish Nationals Leaving Libya as Turmoil Escalates [/b] [IMG]http://gdb.voanews.com/0D83A54F-2CA8-4E52-8E2D-A4E31D57CA6E_mw1024_n_s.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE] With the crisis continuing to deepen in Libya, Turkey's prime minister has announced mass evacuation measures to remove thousands of Turks from the country. Hundreds of Turks have already fled the country. Every day brings plane loads of Turks escaping the turmoil in Libya. Arriving at Istanbul's main airport, many of them have grim stories to tell, like this man: "At night it was very violent," he said. "We could hear the gunshots. We could see the clouds of smoke, All the Turks are worried." A woman had a similar story. "We live in the center of the city and suddenly there is no police or people in regular uniforms," she said. "There were just people who were shooting with machine guns at everything. I believe many people died." [b]According to the Turkish government there are nearly 25,000 Turks living in Libya, most of whom are working there. [/b] Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in his weekly address to parliamentary deputies, said that 800 people had been already been evacuated and a further 2,800 want to leave. The prime minister said seven planes were ready to leave and two ferryboats escorted by a Turkish frigate, were about to arrive in Libya. Mr. Erdogan also gave a warning. "I would like to remind both officials and government opponents in Libya to be extremely careful to ensure the security of foreigners in their country," he said. "Taking cruel steps against people voicing their democratic demands will only exacerbate the spiral of violence and threaten the country’s unity." Unconfirmed Turkish news reports claim Libyan security forces have detained several Turkish nationals, accusing them of being involved in the unrest. Other reports say the nationals are accused of working for Israel. Such reports only add to the anxiety faced by those in Turkey awaiting news from their relatives. One woman whose family is stranded in Libya said, "They are stuck in the middle of the desert. They are in a dire situation and because they are in the desert nobody knows about their situation." The Turkish prime minister has until now largely avoided speaking about events in Libya. That is in contrast to his call on the then Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak to step down. But observers say with Turkey having such a large number of nationals living in Libya and having close multi billion dollar trade deals with the country, the prime minister has to tread carefully. [/QUOTE] http://www.voanews.com/content/turkish-nationals-leaving-libya-as-turmoil-escalates-116684804/160209.html [/QB][/QUOTE]The lyinass uses the typical Euronut tactic of touting light-skinned types of the coast as 'typical' native Maghrebis while dismissing darker types in rural areas of the south as more recent 'slave immigrants'. It the same pathetic tactic Euronuts apply to Egypt. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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