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[QUOTE]Originally posted by matu: [QB] [QUOTE] Originally posted by Tukuler: As DJ wrote, the b*nei Hheth are neither the Hatti nor the Hittites of Anatolia. B*nei Hheth are local south Levantines (Canaanite Hhamites) whereas the central Anatolians are Meshech and Tubal (Yaphethites). Wrote this in '98 or so. Tho I didn't list references the post abounds with internet searchable keywords and terms compounded in standard lexicons like Gesenius, Jastrow, or Brown Driver Briggs. Originally posted 11 April, 2005 by alTakruri~:[list] [*]Here's something I wrote a few years ago. Hope it's of some help. In the Hebrew book B*reshiyth, Hhittiy (hhet-thaw-yodh) may not mean the Hittites of Anatolia. Hhittiy derives from Hheth. The Hhittiy are more commonly designated by b*nei Hheth. These Hhittiy are located far south at Hebron in Canaan circa 1750 BCE. They have authority to transfer land ownership through a council of equals. [b]The Bible indicates that the Land of the Hittites was concentrated closer to the Euphrates River. While I agree that the bible supports *some* Hittites present in South Canaan, (Ephron, Elon, Zohar the Hittites), the land of their fathers was north of Canaan. Look at any Table of Nations map, they all place Heth next to Anatolia. Josh 1:4 From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites[/b] Though it's possible these Hhittiy are connected somehow to the Anatolian Hittites, they are clearly Canaanites to the Author of B*reshiyth. [b] Agreed [/b] Whenever a Hhittiy is given a name in B*reshiyth, it's always a name in the language of Canaan. They are Hhamites. The Anatolian Hittites with their major city Khattushash (Hattusa) are the Khatti in their own Indo-European language Khattili. They also had a language Neshili. [b] From my understanding of the Table of Nations, none of Japhet's descendants are ever given the name (or nickname) "Hittites". There was no such thing as an Anatolian HIttite, those HIttites were Canaanites (like you said earlier) who invaded the Land of Hatti. They were not indigenes to the Land of Hatti, therefore they weren't Anatolian. Japhet was. [/b] These are identified as Yaphetites in the Table of Nations. [b]Yep[/b] Meshech is the Hebrew homonym for the Hatti name Mosokh -- founder of their city Massukh or Massukhanda. Togarmah (son of Gomer) and Tubal are the other Anatolian Hittite representatives in the Table of Nations, residing opposite the Taurus mountains in the Hatti heartland. There is a relief near Ivriz depicting the Hatti king Warpalawa of Tubal worshipping his fertility god Tarhund. Togarmah is the Tegarma (of cuneiform inscriptions. The Indo-European and presumed Europid/white/Caucasian Hatti gave their name to the confederacy of peoples forming the Hittite empire. Both Egyptian and Hatti iconography of Hittites shows them of no one conforming phenotype. [b] Doesn't this support an invasion/conquest of some sort in the Land of Hatti? [/b] Presumably, the non-Europid looking Hittites belong to the people conquered by the invading Hatti at the middle of the 2nd millenium BCE. They appear to have some affinities with Mongol types. [/list] [b] According the following verses, the Hamitic Hittites of the Bible were a strong and mighty people (as well as cave dealers :p ) 2 Kings 7:6: "For the Lord had made the host of the Syrians to hear a noise of chariots, and a noise of horses, even the noise of a great host: and they said one to another, Lo, the king of Israel hath hired against us the kings of the Hittites, and the kings of the Egyptians, to come upon us." 2 Chronicles 1:17: "And they fetched up, and brought forth out of Egypt a chariot for six hundred shekels of silver, and a horse for a hundred and fifty: and so brought they out horses for all the kings of the Hittites, and for the kings of Syria, by their means." Per the Concordance the Hittites (H2850) during Abraham's time are the same Hittites (2850) of military valor. Per Concordance: Hittite = "descendant of Heth" the nation descended from Heth, the 2nd son of Canaan; once inhabitants of central Anatolia (modern Turkey), later in north Lebanon [/b] Please critique. [/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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