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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] Africurious said" [b]The earliest instance of assignment of darkness/blackness to Ham or his progeny is the 4th century CE.. [/b] ^^Based on what source do you get a 4th century CE date? Says who? Please list your scholarly citation. One detailed source I have seen, (The Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in Early Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, 2005, By David M. Goldenberg) lists several instances before that. ANd he shows that Moses pronounced no "curse" on Ham. The "curse" relates to Caanan, (denizens of the Palestine, Lebanon area) a son of Ham, who were to become servant of servants- which is what happened when the Hebrew ex-slaves from Egypt, overran Palestine. The so-called "curse of Ham" is a lot later invention by Jews, Arabs and Christians, not Moses. This Diop himself notes in African Origin of Civ, contradicting assorted racist writings bout any bogus "curse of Ham." In the meantime, the other (bogusly) labeled "accursed" sons of Ham went on to do rather well, according to the writings attributed to Moses. Let's see: Moses lists as other sons of Ham: --Egypt or Mizraim --Kush --Phut We all know the greatness of Egypt, but in the Genesis narrative, Kush is held to have founded the first large scale civilizations- under one Nimrod, son of Kush. If anything Moses gave "the bothas" credit where credit was due. Even as to Caanan, Moses notes that the Hebrew ex-slaves iherited a windfall from the elaborate and more advanced civilizations of the "accursed" Caananites. quote: [i]".. great and good cities which thou buildedst not, and houses full of everything good which thou filledst not, and wells digged which thou diggedst not, vineyards and oliveyards which thou plantedst not, and thou shalt have eaten and shalt be full.." [/i] --Deut 6: 10-11 In short, Moses, who himself married a Kushite, in a sense, had insight into the patterns linking peoples of the Nile Valley /Sinai/Palestinian zone. And indeed Diop quotes approvingly from Moses's writings, and notes the Hebrew lawgiver saw the Egyptians as indigenous Africans- that the name "Ham" is derived from Egyptian sources, which Moses used because he himself spent time in Egypt. Diop has no problem with the Biblical narrative on this score and gives the thumbs up to Moses. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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