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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] Caphtorim and I believe another descendant of Mizraim (don't remember which one right now) are associated with the Sea Peoples. The bible explicitly states that the Philistines originate from Caphtorim. It is widely known that Cretans were one of the most important source populations for the Philistines. The bible also mentions Kerethites as being in close association with Philistines. The Kerethites are often identified with Cretans among modern scholars and bible commentators. I was going to tell you that the Egyptian brown skinned delegates from Keftiu were Cretans, but just now I've read that this direct identification is problematic. The Keftiu [i]still[/i] would have come from Aegean territory and they'd still be closely affiliated with Cretans, as evidenced by the links that have been made between the depicted brown skinned ambassadors from Keftiu and the Cretan/Aegean things that accompany them.[/qb][/QUOTE]^ The nation you forgot was [i]Casluhim[/i]. It was Casluhim who begot the Philistines. [i]Genesis[/i] 10 (13-14):[i] And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim..[/i] It's not certain, but many Biblical scholars identify Casluhim with the island of Cyprus. Note that the earliest known cultures in Cyprus which date to the neolithic bear some resemblances to those of neolithic Crete. Note the description the ancient Greeks gave to the native Cypriots (before Greek colonization) when he compared the Libyan Danaids to Cyprians. [QUOTE][qb]As for Ishmaelites, they, or a fraction of them, are called Hagarites in the bible, after their maternal ancestor (Hagar). Assyrian and other sources testify to the presence of Egyptians (various variations of 'Mizraim', e.g., ''Musur'') in the same portions of Northern Arabia that the Ishmaelites were known to inhabit. [/qb][/QUOTE]We know the Egyptians had an outpost in Tayma Oasis north of Medina during the New Kingdom. Though there's no evidence of any Egyptian matriarchs founding a tribe. The legend may be based on various things such as tribes who resemble the Egyptians in appearance and/or practices as well as the alleged matriarch having some ties to Kemet (Egypt) either in trade or what have you. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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