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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] Yes! Thanks for the correction. I've seen one commentator, as odd as it sounds, actually using the many associations of Mizraim in the Middle East in ancient documents as evidence that Mizraim is primarily associated with the Middle East, rather than Africa. This goes to show that Mizraim definitely wasn't exclusive to Africa, and that they were probably thought of as just as itinerant as the Cushites.[/qb][/QUOTE]Although now that you mention it, the more popular theory is that the Genesis passage from the Table of Nations may be based on a distant memory of colonization of the Mediterranean by the Egyptians. I have read from old books about Crete and Cyprus that the neolithic inhabitants do possess some connection to predynastic Egypt, specifically the Delta and judging by what we know about the spread of E-M78 in the Mediterranean during the neolithic we know this was likely the case. As for Canaan, it's interesting that the Canaanites were still distinguished as a sibling of Mizraim rather than offspring of Mizraim, but that both share the same parentage. [QUOTE][qb]You bring up a good point about Egyptian fortresses. Note that faint memories of geopolitical ties between Egypt and Canaan during the Amarna period might have confused later Judean writers, and contributed to their linkage of Canaanites with Egyptians, Nubians and Libyans, rather than with themselves.[/qb][/QUOTE]Though the problem with this idea is that such connections at least judging from the philological studies of the Genesis texts and the Table of Nations [i]pre-date[/i] the New Kingdom and are dated to Bronze Age (Old Kingdom) times. There are some scholars who find the Arabian Mesra to be different from the Mizraim (Egyptians) proper. Dana is one of them, and I agree with her. For one, as Takuler pointed out, 'Mizraim' possesses a suffix for plurality, specifically a duality. The common theory is that it may signify Egypt consisting of two lands-- Lower Egypt and Upper Egypt. Mesra on the other hand is singular. My own personal theory is that the Mesra and perhaps some other closely related tribes in northern Arabia may in fact be direct descendants of the Harifians who originated in the Delta but migrated into the Sinai and Negev during the neolithic. This may explain the connection to Egyptians. [QUOTE][qb]If the nomadic ''Shasu of Yahweh'' in Edom mentioned in Egyptian records are indeed proto-Israelites, later Judaeans may have also been M.I.A., during the time periods of Northeast African incursions into Canaan. These incursions would undoubtedly have left noticeable traces in the skin color of many Levantines, and other features. Indeed, when Egyptian depictions of nomadic (Shasu) and urban Southern Levantines are compared, the latter seem noticeably more dark skinned than the former. [IMG]http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/4627/southernlevantines.png[/IMG] From left to right: Canaanite, Lower Egyptian, Lower Egyptian female, Canaanite (Jebusite), Canaanite (Jebusite). [IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eTYbxCe-V6M/UJbhKto4tuI/AAAAAAAABuI/R8vo9dQKmdo/s1600/Shasu+-+Hebrew+-+Demiurge+-+Chosen+People+-+creation+of+a+lesser+god+-+Foundation.jpg[/IMG] ^Shasu [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree. Note the traces of dark paint on the face of your Shasu picture. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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