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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] ^ [b]LOL[/b] @ doubting thomasina, the lyinass cat. To Tukuler: I totally agree with your philological assessment of the word sh'hhar, even though many Biblical scholars today including Jewish ones obfuscate or distort the definition to mean 'dark' (whether unwittingly or not). I've noted that David Goldenberg too is guilty of this in his book, [i]The Curse of Ham[/i] which I cite many times. The book is actually quite accurate with the exception that he translates sh'hhar to mean 'dark' instead of black which is why he mistranslates texts describing Egyptians as "dark" instead of black. Yet I've noted in extra-Biblical poetry such as that found in the Mishnah which makes use of the word sh'hhar to describe things like the late evening . Obviously if sh'hhar does mean 'dark' it describes a [i]specific[/i] type of darkness to being that of a night sky. To Swenet: I understand what you're saying. It's not just the Bible but virtually ALL religious texts that have stories based on old or ancient events yet were written down centuries after the events happened. The only reason why the stories survived before they were penned is through oral traditions. I am not all offended, as I'm not a religious person and I definitely don't take the Bible literally despite its historicity in certain things. By the way, are you aware of that scholars divide the Tanakh (Old Testament) scriptures into four traditions-- the Yahwist, the Elohist, the Deuteronomist, and the Priestly-- that is each individual book is actually a compilation of two or more traditions. Genesis for example is largely the compilation of Yahwist and Elohist. Many scholars think the Yahwist tradition is the oldest of them. Also, many scholars think the the book of Job is probably the oldest Hebrew story not derived from Mesopotamian myths if not oldest of the Biblical stories. In fact, many scholars think the setting of the book lay to the south of Judea in the Negev region probably in Jordan where he was an early pre-Israelite tribesman. In fact, I've read works from some Biblical writers to suggest the presence of early Hebrew or Hebrew ancestors as far south as northern Arabia around the Hejaz. This evidence comes in the form rock graffiti strikingly similar to those further north from the Sinai to Jordan and the Israeli-Palestinian area. There are even sacred areas atop high hills where there are large rocks (petra-worship) where the ground in the center has large indentations in the shape of feet like giant foot prints. Such features are typical of early Hebrew worship where the foot prints symbolize the ground where the god (Yahweh?) stood. Thus there may be truth to the Arab and even Islamic accounts of the enigmatic 'Hanif' religion. The Hanif was a pre-Islamic religion described as neither Jewish nor Christian but an even older tradition that goes back to Abraham. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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