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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] To onlookers, notice how Explorer is deliberately manipulating data by repeating falsehoods I have shown to be false since my earliest post. He knows he's wrong, and he also knows that hanging on to this deliberate misinterpretation of Pagani et al and other data is what creates the impression that he just may have a point. Note the following exchanges: [QUOTE] Originally posted by The Explorer: yep, and an obvious blow to speculators whose favorite ideological theories of the supposed "Semitic" coming into the Horn from outside[/QUOTE]^Here he's saying that the closer genetic affinity the Ethiopian genetic component (see Pagani et al) has to Levantines, rather than Yemenites, is evidence that Ethio-Semitic languages have an African origin. He reasons, if Ethio-Semitic languages were indeed from Yemen, Ethiopians would have more affinity with Yemenites than with Levantines. He repeats this here: [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: It’s clear you have trouble understanding the English language, as I just provided the reason as to why the so-called “Arabian” origins of Ethio-Semitic suffers a blow from genetic information; duh: [b]the Ethiopian gene pool, that you love to gratuitously dismiss as “Eurasian”, is relatively closer to that in area north of Arabia than it is to southern Arabia,[/b] which is where most speculators love to stake their ideological theories on. For you, I’ll spell out the otherwise obvious: [b]if their gene pool is from Semitic speakers of such ancestry, then their gene pool should be more similar to south Arabians than it does people north of the Arabian peninsula.[/b] Do you get it now, kiddo?[/QUOTE]and here: [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: It stumps you, to dawn on you that the Yemeni gene pool would be more likely to show strong correspondence with Ethiopians, [b]if your nutty south Arabian origins were in fact, closer to fact than fiction.[/b] [/QUOTE]Note, however, that evidence from the field of Linguistics (e.g., Kitchen et al 2009), as well as other fields (e.g., archaeology) have demonstrated that South Arabian and Ethio-Semitic languages are very recent arrivals from the area North of the Arabian peninsula, and so, that the Ethiopian genetic component in question shows more affinity with Levantines, rather than Yemenites, should be expected! Note the flow of Semitic languages from the Levant to Southern Arabia (map is from Kitchen et al 2009): [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/29270jo.png[/IMG] It should be noted here that the migrations of South Arabian speakers depicted in the Arabian peninsula [b]post date[/b] the emergence of populations in (Southern) Arabia. The evidence for this comes from archaeology, uniparental lineages, ancient texts that confirm the presence of populations in Southern Arabia prior to 3kya (3kya is the approximate date of the arrival of the ancestors of Ethio-Semitic and South Arabian speakers from the Levant, see that map from Kitchen et al 2009, above). So then, what is Explorer's response to my constant reminder that Yemenites and South Arabian speakers are different entities? Absolutely nothing, other than denial, lying, ignoring and stalling the inevitable, which would be, being forced to admit that Ethio-Semitic languages come from outside of Africa and that the closer genetic affinity of Levantines to Ethiopians, rather than Yemenites, is fully consistent with the emergence of Ethio-Semitic languages outside of Africa! My question to him, days ago: [QUOTE][i]So, are you saying that the Semetic language didn't spread from the Levant, per the linguistic evidence?[/i] [he ignored this question] [i] Exactly how is Pagani et al's genetically based observation that the Eurasian componant in the Ethiopian genome fits this linguisitc expectation, a ''blow'' to the idea that these languages came from the outside? [/i][/QUOTE]--Swenet Note the redherrings, strawmen, and other distracting antics in his reply, i.e., I've just told him that, according to current Linguistic data, South Arabian and Ethio-Semitic come from the Levant, not Southern Arabia, yet he continues to push the same tired bullsh!t that these languages originate in (Southern) Arabia: [QUOTE][i]It’s clear you have trouble understanding the English language, as [b]I just provided the reason as to why the so-called “Arabian” origins of Ethio-Semitic suffers a blow from genetic information; duh: the Ethiopian gene pool, that you love to gratuitously dismiss as “Eurasian”, is relatively closer to that in area north of Arabia than it is to southern Arabia,[/b] which is where most speculators love to stake their ideological theories on. For you, I’ll spell out the otherwise obvious: if their gene pool is from Semitic speakers of such ancestry, [b]then their gene pool should be more similar to south Arabians than it does people north of the Arabian peninsula.[/b] Do you get it now, kiddo?[/i][/QUOTE]--The Explorer Look where it leads to, when I repeated it to him, that South Arabian speakers are said to have a recent origin North of Arabia: [QUOTE][i] What is profoundly stupid is that you embrace the Pagani et al's bit where they say that the Ethiopian component with questionable origins has more affinity with Levantines than Yemenites, with the intention of arguing against the Eurasian origin of Ethio-Semitic languages, [b]even though the South Arabian linguistic clade would originally have Levantine ancestry, and hence, the Ethiopian component in Ethiopians would therefore not even need to be closer to Yemenite ancestry.[/b][/i][/QUOTE]--Swenet As usual, he’s just being redundant, and repeating his bullsh!t: [QUOTE][i] It stumps you, to dawn on you [b]that the Yemeni gene pool would be more likely to show strong correspondence with Ethiopians, if your nutty south Arabian origins were in fact, closer to fact than fiction.[/b] [/i][/QUOTE]--The Explorer Here, the cat comes out of the bag: [QUOTE][i][b]Saying that the south Arabians[/b] would have ultimately derived from the Levant, does not absolve you from the embarrassing misfortune [b]of having to contend with a lack of strong genetic correspondence between south Arabian populations and Ethiopians.[/b][/i][/QUOTE]--Explorer He says ''Saying that the south Arabians would have ultimately derived from the Levant'', but note that I never said that Southern Arabians come from the Levant; I said that South Arabian [b][i]speakers[/i][/b] are from the Levant, with the difference being that the former are the aboriginal populations of Southern Arabia, while the latter are recent arrivals from the Levant! By accidentally misconstruing my words as saying that the latter equal the former, he’s showing how little he knows about the topic; he’s confusing the spread of South Arabian speakers from the Levant 3kya, with the aboriginal population in Southern Arabia, who, as stated earlier, pre-date the arrival of South Arabian speakers (i.e., Levantines) in Southern Arabia ~3kya. He, however, denies that he is doing this: [QUOTE]Cite where I "conclude that all Yemenites are "South Arabian" speakers"[/QUOTE]--The Explorer Yet, look where another reminder (how many reminders can one need for the fact the penetrate) of mine that the term 'South Arabian speakers' does not equal 'aboriginal Southern Arabian', takes us: [QUOTE][i]In the face of knowing South Arabian speakers came from the Levant, and are a separate entity from the older Yemenite population, [b]simply their sharing of the same land (South Arabia) in modern times, means they can just recklessly be used as proxies for one another?[/b][/i][/QUOTE]--Swenet His reply: [QUOTE]This post only reaffirms the fact that you are [b]a complete idiot who has neither a clue as to what south Arabia is or what Yemenites are.[/b][/QUOTE]--The Explorer Which then brings me back to my earlier observation about him: [QUOTE]This just proves the above, i.e., that your cosmic unsophistication in these matters [b]is what leads you to conclude that all Yemenites are South Arabian speakers[/b], and that you, in your astronomic obtuseness, [b]even try to turn a linguistic clade into a geographic population (i.e., South Arabian languages).[/b][/QUOTE]--Swenet He's saying that he's not confusing the name of a linguistic clade (South Arabian speakers), with a general, geographical population with multiple distinct ethnies (Southern Arabians), yet, he describes the post where I'm saying something he supposedly isn't denying, as: [QUOTE]This post only reaffirms the fact that you are [b]a complete idiot who has neither a clue as to what south Arabia is or what Yemenites are.[/b][/QUOTE]--The Explorer Talk about being a brick headed lunatic. 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