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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] Summation: --He repeatedly spams the forum with straw-man bait, asking me to defend statements that I've never made, re: supposedly I said in this thread that the SLC24A5 is non-African. He's also quite fond of bizarrely demanding I present random data, re: after I mentioned the existence of early ancient texts describing Southern Arabian territories (i.e., Makkan), he then strangely spams the forum with questions about what these texts talk about as if simply mentioning the existence of texts about Makkan burden me with the responsibility to go off on an elaborate discourse about what these texts say. --Current linguistic evidence says that original Ethio-Semitic speakers and South Arabian speakers come from the Levant, while Explorer keeps lying and manipulating Kitchen et al 2009 to say that the said languages originate in Southern Arabia. He lies and says that [URL=http://i56.tinypic.com/29270jo.png]this map[/URL] from Kitchen et al 2009 is somehow a cartoon, and that the actual contents of the paper posit that the Ethio-Semitic linguistic clade originates in Southern Arabia, rather than simply passing through there on their way to Ethiopia. He avoids repeated requests to back up his claim that the actual contents of Kitchen et al 2009 contradict their own map, which he bizarrely calls ''a cartoon''. --He does this because he's in the dark about the linguistics of the area. He's fighting imaginary opponents who, according to him, posit that Ethio-Semitic originates in Southern Arabia, and so, he uses the following Pagani excerpt as evidence that the views of his imaginary opponents ''have suffered a blow'': [i]The non-African component was found to be more similar to populations inhabiting the Levant rather than the Arabian Peninsula[/i] --Pagani et al 2012 He maintains that, had these original Ethio-Semitic speakers come from Southern Arabia like his imaginary opponents say is the case, we'd expect the Eurasian component of Ethiopians to have a closer affinity to Yemenites than to Levantines. However, his imaginary opponents are neither here nor there. The data discussed in this thread says that the original Ethio-Semitic speakers originate in the Levant, and so, the aforementioned Pagani excerpt he is cluelessly sprinkling around, is actually in harmony with the linguistic evidence that I'm bringing to the table (Kitchen et al 2009). --When I attempt to educate him on this fact (i.e., that the original Ethio-Semitic speakers originate in the Levant and not Southern Arabia) he keeps repeating the same thing like a chicken without a head. I'm not kidding you, with every reminder that the original Ethio-Semitic speakers didn't originate in Southern Arabia, he simply repeats the same debunked conjecture that the closer affinity of the Eurasian genetic component in Ethiopians to Levantines rather than Yemenites is ''a blow'' to his imaginary opponents. Look at this exchange, for instance: [QUOTE]What is profoundly stupid [b]is that you embrace the Pagani et al's bit where they say that the Ethiopian component with questionable origins has more affinity with Levantines than Yemenites,[/b] with the intention of arguing against the Eurasian origin of Ethio-Semitic languages, [b]even though the South Arabian linguistic clade would originally have Levantine ancestry, and hence, the Ethiopian component in Ethiopians would therefore not even need to be closer to Yemenite ancestry.[/b][/QUOTE]--Swenet What follows is his signature troll non-sequitor reply, where he's simply reiterating the same debunked view ad infinitum: [QUOTE]It stumps you, to dawn on you [b]that the Yemeni gene pool would be more likely to show strong correspondence with Ethiopians, if your nutty south Arabian origins were in fact, closer to fact than fiction.[/b][/QUOTE]--Explorer --Having been schooled on the fact that the original Semitic speakers who moved towards Southern Arabia would have had Levantine ancestry (not aboriginal Southern Arabian ancestry), and that his perceived contradiction between Pagani et al and the linguistic evidence is therefore a figment of his imagination, he then switched his pitch from ''there is a contradiction between the origin of Ethio-Semitic languages in Yemen and the Ethiopian relative dissimilarity to Yemenites compared to Levantines'' to ''even though the original Semitic speakers who donated their languages to Ethiopians would have had Levantine ancestry, Ethiopians should still be closer to Yemenites than Levantines''. The reason why he says this is because he's trolling and because he's totally in the dark about the existence of pre-Semitic speakers in Southern Arabia, and the fact that most Arabic speaking Yemenites are their descendants, while Yemenites who speak non-Arabic (i.e., South Semitic languages) are the descendants of the original waves of Semitic speakers from the Levant. He knows the Levantine ancestry of the original Semitic speakers destroy his case, so ever since he was forced to admit that they would have Levantine ancestry, he's been trolling his ass off. Note the following exchange for instance, where I repeatedly attempt to clue him into the fact that the aboriginal Yemenite population and the later arriving speakers of South Arabian languages should be seen as distinct elements: [QUOTE]It still hasn’t dawned on you that the Yemenite proper population pre-dates the South Arabian speakers, has it?[/QUOTE]--Swenet Note that he doesn't even know that South Arabian speakers refers to a linguistic clade, and strangely turns ''South Arabian speakers'' into a matter of geography: [QUOTE]Well, apparently, it has not "dawned on you" that "Yemenites" ARE/were "south Arabians"![/QUOTE]--Explorer I then repeat it to him that South Arabian speakers refers to a set of closely related languages that arrived in Southern Arabia from the Levant: [QUOTE]In the face of knowing South Arabian speakers came from the Levant, and are a separate entity from the older Yemenite population, simply their sharing of the same land (South Arabia) in modern times, means they can just recklessly be used as proxies for one another?[/QUOTE]--Swenet Note his trolling non-reply, which is totally devoid of any argument, because he simply cannot refute what I'm saying: [QUOTE]This post only reaffirms the fact that you are a complete idiot who has neither a clue as to what south Arabia is or what Yemenites are.[/QUOTE]--Explorer I then, again, urge him to demonstrate why my post evinces that I don't have a clue: [QUOTE]A familiar habit of yours: substituting arguments with a non-reply semi-insult when you get your nose slammed in the facts, and there is no way out. Start explaining what about this post vindicates your opinion that it ’’reaffirms the fact that you are a complete idiot’’.[/QUOTE]--Swenet On topic replies to this very simple request for clarification had him running with his tail between his legs. Instead of complying with my request to back his sh!t up, he switched his pitch again. Seeing that his whole case is disintegrating in front of his eyes, he all of a sudden starts yapping about how I'm supposedly the only one who is talking about the speakers of the South Arabian linguistic clade: [QUOTE]You are too dirt-stupid to even realize that you are the only one here, ever, to speak of "south Arabian speakers".[/QUOTE]--Explorer Notice what happens when I tell him that we've been talking about the speakers of the said linguistic clade all along: [QUOTE]Apparently you do not know that South Arabian speakers are the population that we've been talking about the entire time, that would have introduced Ethio-Semitic languages to the Horn. Thanks for broadcasting to everyone how profoundly unlettered you are on the subject. You're doing me a big favor.[/QUOTE]--Swenet He then reverts back to his trolling, by responding with non-replies that don't even address what I said: [QUOTE]Instead of dreaming up a "big favor", how about you try a real one, as an advice: Get a brain. It'll make you see that pointless rambling-excuses are no substitute for the fact that you are the lonesome airhead who has spoken of South Arabian "speakers" throughout this entire thread.[/QUOTE]--Explorer I then gave him another opportunity to clarify his remarks that I'm ''the only one who's talking about South Arabian speakers'': [QUOTE]**Prove** that the Semitic speakers that moved into Southern Arabia 3kya, and who speak languages that reside within the same linguistic clade with Ethio-Semitic languages, are called anything other than 'South Arabian speakers'. This would go a long way in substantiating your excretion that I'm ''the only one here, ever, to speak of "south Arabian speakers''.[/QUOTE]--Swenet But to no avail, all got was more non-reply trolling remarks where he's letting his opinions talk instead of the requested data: [QUOTE]Your "South Arabian speakers" obsession is as irrelevant as ever since you broached it; but I tell you what: How about you prove [with evidence of course] this "Semitic speakers moved into southern Arabia 3ky ago", supposedly for the first time, that you are now broaching![/QUOTE]--Explorer When asked him for the umpteenth time to clarify his remarks, all I got was more of the same opinionated troll non-replies: [QUOTE]Your "south Arabian speakers" is still irrelevant!...hussy-fuss aside.[/QUOTE]--Explorer That is basically how it went with every claim of his that I destroyed; as soon as he's debunked, he simply starts giving ad-hominem non-replies, and then repeating them ad infinitum until the person he's talking to gets tired of his manipulations, fallacies and lies. Just look at my last post to him, to get an idea of how many outstanding requests were pending for on-topic replies, that he kept running away from, again and again and again. Then compare those outstanding requests to his latest non-reply response, which is in essence just a repeat of his past five debunked posts. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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