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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] Try again, troll, this time, actually refuting what I posted below, rather than throwing in a bunch of vague and general information, that doesn't even come close to bring into question what I posted: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: As Pagani et al have demonstrated, most of the Eurasian elements in Horners date to 3kya. [/QUOTE]Explain to me, in your [b]own words[/b] -- but does not mean you should shy away from corresponding citations that back you up, how they have determined this, the markers (meaning specific haplotypes or haplogroups) involved, and why you think it is accurate! I look at Ethiopian mtDNA profile for instance, and I find it hard to conceive of a profile like that only dating to the magic date of 3kya, which suspiciously approximates that of the linguistic study Pagani et al. just so happened to reference! Even the Y-DNA profile by and large contradicts this date. [/qb][/QUOTE]What, just because I agreed with what you said, you think that's a nod to you or something? You're a lying troll, guided by vested interests, lies, fallacies and manipulations. Even as we speak, you're again introducing fallacies like the mega troll that you are. Even way before Pagani 2012 and Kitchen 2009, Rosa & Brehm 2011 and Kivisild et al. 2004 had entertained the possibility that the lineages being referred to could very well have been introduced by Ethio-Semitic speakers: [QUOTE]N1 is a minor mtDNA haplogroup that has been observed at marginal frequencies in European, Near Eastern, Indian and East African populations (Richards et al., 2000; Kivisild et al., 2004), mainly in Semitic speakers. Although with much older coalescences in the Near East and Southwest Asia (Richards et al., 2000), [b]N1, U (non-U5 or U6) and W lineages may have been imported relatively recently, with the expansion of Semitic languages, at least in the Ethiopian pool (Kivisild et al., 2004).[/b][/QUOTE]--Rosa & Brehm, 2011 No one needs you to 'okay' or 'approve' any scientific observation, for those observations to be scientifically well founded, although I'm sure that is how you perceive things to be in your coo coo world. Also, what I've been holding back, as it was way too funny seeing Explorer squirm, trying to defend a position of a predominantly local origin of the Ethiopian non-L mtDNAs, which has been crumbling far years: according to various researchers, the very recent G 13915 allele, perhaps associated with the Saudi Camel domestication event, made its way into Ethiopia at a time that could not have been much older that ~4kya. Enattah et al: [QUOTE][b]Our age estimate of the G 13915 allele of ~4095[/b] (+/- 2045) years in the Arabian Peninsula would suggest that the introduction of this LP variant might be associated with the domestication of the Arabian camel more than 6000 years ago.[/QUOTE]--Enattah et al, 2008 Where this allele is found according to Ingram et al 2006: [QUOTE]Of the populations tested, [b]the -13915*G allele was found to be fairly widespread in eastern Africa[/b] and the Middle East. It was most common in the Saudi Bedouins[/QUOTE]--Ingram et al 2006 I'd love to see the nutties pull the ''this is not due to Eurasian backflow, but due to OOA events'', or ''its not Eurasian because (insert African ethnic group) have it too!'' mumbo jumbo on this one. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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