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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] [b] Here we address the question of the origin of the Minoans by analysing mitochondrial DNA from Minoan osseous remains from a cave ossuary in the Lassithi plateau of Crete dated 4,400–3,700 years before present.[/b] Refresh my memory on this Patrol or Truth. YBP uses 1950 as it baseline does it not? If so, 4400-3700 years before 1950 would date their samples to around 2400 BC/BCE. If not I stand corrected, but I am not clear on their dating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present If their sampling is 2400BC, or BCE, this is over 1000 years later than/after the already established Nile Valley civilizations, which of course got more elaborate over its time span leading up to around that period. Their sampling if thus, does not fully address developments in Crete much earlier, which still leaves room for North African influence in the Cretan area, mingled with other influences or migrations for elsewhere. Indeed as assorted writers have noted: [i]"The portrayal on the 'minature fresco' from Thera, and on the other, very fragmentary Aegean frescoes, of diverse stylistic elements- flora a nd fauna, 'negroid' human representations, the riverine setting, of the 'minature fresco,' etc- that seem to be north African, 'Libyan' or Egyptian in origin." [/i] --The Aegean and the Orient in the second millennium: proceedings of the 50th anniversary symposium, Cincinnati, 18-20 April 1997 [i]"Skeletons show that the population of the Aegean was already mixed by Neolithic times, and various facial types, some with delicate features and pointed noses, others pug-nosed, almost negroid.."[/i] -- Encyclopedia Britannica 1990 ed. Macropedia Article, Vol 20: Greek and Roman Civilizations The "Aegean area" in these writings, INCLUDES Crete. WIth a "classic" Bronze Age starting around 3300 BCE per some, this leaves a time range overlap for North African influence. And since "Neolithic times" can be reckoned variously from 12,000 BCE to start, this again leaves plenty of time for North African influence, later joined with ther "Eurasian" influences. As other writers have said [i]"Skeletons show that the population of the Aegean was already mixed by Neolithic times, and various facial types.."[/i] [b]These results might not go over very well with some posters here, especially since African populations like the Egyptians were found to have the most distant genetic relationship from the Minoans. [/b] ^^Sure- you will find some posters on here who like to speak about vast African influences in Europe, including assorted pasty-faced kings and white bluebloods- King Philip of Spain anyone? But such claims would not be recognizably "Afrocentric" (yes the term is variable). Few credible "Afrocentric" scholars are running around claiming that Minoan origins are all African. Any such claim would be a bogus strawman set up to "refute." Diop for example, never rushed out to claim any such thing. In his "African Origin of Civilization" Diop argued for a measure of Egyptian INFLUENCE that shaped civ on Crete, and even gives an example of artistic influence, (pg 229, 209, etc) but he never went on claim an African origin for Minoan civilization. So if you run into any who keep talkin 'bout how "Afrocentrists" supposedly "believe" that Minoan civilization originates in Africa this would be clearly bogus. And there is plenty of room in the Neolithic for various strands of influence to mix, including North African. Different strands would be stronger in different eras. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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