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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Djehuti[/b]: Diop points out that the standards born by Narmer's men on the Narmer Palette were all fetishes found in Qustul first. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]the lioness,[/b]: [URL=http://www.ephotobay.com/share/picture-29-37.html] [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-29-37.png[/IMG][/URL] Narmer Palette ... Immediately in front of the pharaoh is a long-haired man, accompanied by a pair of hieroglyphs that have been interpreted as his name: Tshet (this assumes that these symbols had the same phonetic value used in later hieroglyphic writing). [b]Before this man are four standard bearers, holding aloft [URL=http://underscore]an animal skin, a dog, and two falcons[/URL].[/b][/QUOTE]Although Diop said nothing specifically about Qustul the post of a section of Narmer's Palette allows us see the insignia or totems Diop said were Nubian, in particular [i]"the Jackal and that of the Sparrow-hawk."[/i][/qb][/QUOTE]You're right. I did not mean to distort Diop's words if that's how it came across. I am well aware Diop never said Qustul but rather [i]Nubia[/i]. I only inferred Qustul because that was the archaeological finding in regards to pre-Kerma Nubian civilization that was known during the time of Diop's research. The Qustul Culture a.k.a. 'A Group' was discovered in 1964 by Dr. Keith Steele. Bruce Williams findings on A Group pharaonic iconography and the Qustul Incence Burner only came to light several years after Diop's [i]African Origin of Civilization[/i] was published. Just a few corrections to Lioness's citation whose source she doesn't mention. :rolleyes: First off, the person in front of Narmer (as Mena correctly pointed out) is a [i]woman[/i] or in the very least a cross-dressed man since the hairstyle, dress, and posture is that of a woman! Even the name 'Tshet' is feminine. I see no reason why it shouldn't be a woman especially since there is a widespread tradition in many African cultures for a royal woman to walk in front of the king and behind the banner-men during a royal procession. Second, the labeling of the standards are a little off. The first standard is NOT an animal skin but a [i]placenta[/i] with umbilical cord which is a fetish or totem used by many Africans including some Egyptian nomes. The second is a jackal astride an object (some say a stomach), and the other two are birds perhaps hawks perched on flags. [QUOTE][qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]the lioness,[/b]: [IMG]http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/images/heqa.jpg[/IMG] The heqa sceptre (or shepherd's crook) was closely associated with the king and was even used to write the word "ruler" and "rule" in hieroglyphics. It was essentially a long stick with a hooked handle ... ... Another early example (this time complete) made from ivory was found in the largest predynastic tomb in the Abydos cemetery (U-j).[/QUOTE]Even were it properly credited this notice on the heqa would still fall short of a Pharaonic emblem as it's shared even with the chief (sheikh) of a small group of itinerant traders who is denoted by a heqa, i.e., Heqa.khast AbiSha and crew on a tomb wall at Beni Hassan. So I wouldn't add the heqa to the Dreyer U-j list I would like to see compiled for comparison against a Williams L-24 list since Dreyer is used by academia to refute Williams. = = = = =[/qb][/QUOTE]Indeed. In fact, the heqa is a symbol of livestock tending and thus pastoralism. The other pharaonic accessory often held with the heqa is the neqhaqha (flail) which is used by several agricultural gods. Both were adopted by Ausar (Osiris) as his symbols of power being both pastoralist and farmer. Though I don't see what either has to do with the earliest depiction of kings in either Ta-Shemau or Ta-Seti. [QUOTE][qb]A sidebar about the Narmer Palette: Considering the Red Crown's Upper Egyptian origin is Narmer establishing the Red Crown onto Lower Egypt, in effect transferring it to northern symbolism and divorcing it from the south? Are there artifacts showing the Red Crown as Lower Egyptian before Narmer? I don't know. Does terminal TaSeti continue to use the White Crown during and after Egypt's 1st Dynasty? [/qb][/QUOTE]These are excellent questions I too am looking answers for. Though I find it interesting that while the Delta's deshret (red crown) may have originated to its south in Upper Egypt, Upper Egypt's own hedjet (white crown) may also have originated to [i]its[/i] south as well. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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