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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol: My interpretation for the E-M81 mutation is the region of the Maghreb. As I have posted underwent a climate change and shifts, during the same timeframe the age of the mutation was estimated.[/QUOTE]That is not what the age estimation of E-M81 and geographic distribution suggests. Older ages had been attributed to east African chromosomes, and if memory serves me correctly, it has been found in places in eastern Africa, e.g. Sudan, where no "Berber" languages are spoken. [QUOTE] To answer your question whether I propose the Tuareg as the spinoff population, yes I do consider the nomadic, pastoralist Tuaregs as the prominent population considering the follis records and the age of Hg E-V68.[/QUOTE]What about EV68? You keep bringing this clade up, but I fail to see the significance you are attaching to it, and why. [QUOTE]Ironically how the Ténéré is in Niger. From they come/ came. [QUOTE]Trans-Saharan craniometry.[b] Principal components analysis of craniometric variables closely allies the early Holocene occupants at Gobero, who were buried with Kiffian material culture, with Late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene humans from the Maghreb and southern Sahara referred to as Iberomaurusians, Capsians and “Mechtoids.” [/b] Outliers to this cluster of populations include an older Aterian sample and the mid-Holocene occupants at Gobero associated with Tenerean material culture. [/QUOTE] http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0002995 [/QUOTE]If you are insinuating the derivation of "Tuaregs" from these early modern African groups, I fail to see it. Perhaps you can demonstrate better, how the "Tuaregs" monophyletically link to them. [QUOTE] [QUOTE] Carrying out biological or genetic investigations of the Tuareg has not always been easy because of their demanding lifestyle and their often negative attitude to the European colonists. Cavalli-Sforza et al,2 whose synthesized study of classical protein and serological markers is well known, noticed a genetic link between the Tuareg and Beja from Eastern Sudan. The fact that the genetic distances between the Tuareg and Berber/North-western Africans were larger than that between the Tuareg and Beja, provides a picture of a common origin and population separation at some point more than 5000 years ago. Interestingly, both people are also pastoralist and speak Afro-Asiatic languages, even if the Beja language (Bedawi), with its four dialects, belongs to the Cushitic branch, whereas Tamasheq belongs to the Berber branch. The fact that these two peoples today speak different languages might be explained either by the Tuareg having acquired the Berber language during their westwards migration, or possibly by the Beja coming under the influence of some Eastern African peoples as language shift is a relatively common phenomenon.[...] The Tuareg population from Libya was homogenous with very low estimates of haplotype diversity suggesting high genetic drift.5 [/QUOTE]--Luísa Pereira, Viktor Černý [/QUOTE]I know, you mentioned this earlier, but I'm still not seeing this: The "Tuareg" came closest in terms of what, and involving whom else? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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