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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: For several threads you were senselessly fidgeting and crying like a baby about the idea of Mesolithic Maghrebi having "tropical body proportions"[/QUOTE]Complete lie. I’ve always maintained that they had tropical limb proportions. Recap, from the thread where you got thrashed beyond repair: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QUOTE] Originally posted by The Explorer: If there are EpiPaleolithic Maghreb specimens showing "tropical" proportions, how can that then be "not tropical enough"?[/QUOTE]Aside from not knowing what PCA is, you clearly also do not know what the difference is between a body plan and limb proportions, and [b]the known phenomenon that a population (e.g., Ibero-Maurusian) can seem tropical in the latter, but not in the former.[/b][/QUOTE]^You're such a liar. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: Rubbish.[/QUOTE]You’re such a lying troll. You call my observation that the IM had lower brachial and crural indices than European Mesolithic remains ''rubbish'', and then you go on to begrudgingly admit that the IM, or at least, Taforalt, brachial index is ~76%, which is lower than that of Mesolithic Europeans with more than a full percentage. Even the crural index of the pooled North African sample, which includes the very tropically adapted Jebel Sahaba sample, does not exceed the Mesolithic European crural index, let alone when this sample is subtracted. Congratulations, you've just single handedly debunked yourself. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: BTW, who are these Mesolithic Europeans. Name them![/QUOTE]Gough’s Cave 1 Gramat 1 Hoëdic 5 Hoëdic 6 Hoëdic 8 Hoëdic 9 Rastel 1 Rochereil 1 Téviec 1 Téviec 11 Téviec 10 Now what, troll? [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: Long lower-limb bones suggests that the EpiPaleolithic Maghreb series were relatively linear in stature[/QUOTE]Lol. What the hell is ''linear in stature''? Admit it, you don’t even know what you’re talking about, do you? Just talking mumbo jumbo, like a confused puppy. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: So, your attempt at trying to portray the Mesolithic Maghrebi series as extensions of Eurasians is proving to be a fiasco.[/QUOTE]Before this bizarre line of reasoning can be entertained, explain what the hell ''Long lower-limb bones'' have to do with linearity. Yes, the insinuation that goes out from your posturing, i.e., that your grasp of the topic is more than sub par, is disintegrating by the minute. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: I see that you are being your usual very childishly emotional self with no substance. How is "body shape" determined?[/QUOTE]Certainly not by limb proportions, if that’s where you’re going with it. Now your turn: how is the description of ''log shape data'' below fig 5 consistent with the idea that it’s depicting population relationships in limb proportions? [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: You crying like a spoiled infant about my observation on the San being supposedly "silly and obselete" sounds like a clear disagreement to me.[/QUOTE]Its very simple. You tried to discredit fig 5 by referring to the moderately tropical limb proportions of the San, and how that was supposedly at odds with fig 5. The applicability of that objection, however, is now shown to be totally baseless, and you have yet to come to grips with that fact. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: The piece is in fact saying what your tramp-ass is now humorously denying, that the pygmies were an outlier among their sub-Saharan group, where body linearity was concerned.[/QUOTE]Lying through your teeth again. The excerpt doesn’t even say that the Pygmies were an outlier group. The Holiday piece only spoke of a gradient (i.e., less linear and linear). How your mind pathologically distorts this very simple to understand concept into the idea that the Pygmy sample assumed an outlier position, away from North Africans, is something mental hospitals are quite good at deciphering. Those who actually are familiar with Holiday’s work (and who are not frauds pretending to be in the know, like you), know that the following is a recurrent theme in Holiday's work: [i]One might find it odd that the [b]Pygmies cluster with North Africans[/b]. This is due to allometric effects associated with their small size. In particular HL-shape exhibits negative allometry, while FHAP-shape exhibits positive allometry (Holliday, 1995). Therefore, as a result of their small size, the Pygmies are characterized by small femoral heads and long humeri – [b]features aligning them more closely with the North Africans than with Sub-Saharan Africans.[/b][/i] --Holiday 1997 [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: You are just too retarded to do a simple thing as reading a post in its entirety[/QUOTE]Either that or I’m too perceptive to be oblivious to a troll who performs damage control when I see it. From the Troll’s mouth: [i]Upon reading this, one might get the gratuitous impression that [b]Natufian[/b] and northwest African "Ibero-Maurusian" series are similar, but delineated from the Jebel Sahaba series. Not so, when other reports are taken into account[/i] You then went on to talk about Ohalo II, which isn’t even Natufian, just like you patently stupid claims regarding nasal index, ’’PCA that performs cluster analysis’’, ''linear statures'', ''long bones indicating linearity'' and ''outlier pygmies''. Not to mention your off the cuff speculation about about fig 5 representing limb proportions when accompanying clarifying descriptions clearly rule it out. The things you say get more retarded by the minute, and its precisely because you don't have the foggiest idea what you're rambling about. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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