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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE] Originally posted by Tukuler: Imazighen are the people speaking Tamazight. That is my definition. Before North Africans began to speak Tamazight lects they were not "Berbers."[/QUOTE]Sure, but the point I'm trying to make is that your and Nikita et al's reservation to the idea that Garamantes and modern Berber speakers derive the practice of trephenation from their Epi-Palaeolithic predecessors in that region hinges on the suspicion that Maghrebi Epi-Palaeolithic ancestry doesn't persist in modern Berber speakers. That idea is not founded on current understandings of what Berber speakers are. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Tukuler: Kel Tamasheq ethno-genesis is post Garamantia. I haven't read any origin mythos by them that remembers anything like Garamantia a solid and extensive political state.[/QUOTE]Agree. It may have something to do with their late ethno-genesis. Kind of similar to how Palestinians think of themselves as Arabs and don't seem to have recollections of being inhabitants of events related to the Israelite state, even though their pre-medieval ancestors likely would have self identified as biologically Jewish or something akin to it. [QUOTE] Originally posted by Tukuler: [b]I don't see Teda entering Fezzan any later than the Kels.[/b] I guess that map is as good as any. Does it jibe with other similar maps? There's some Xian missionary group very concerned with African ethnic groups. Maybe I'm simple to do it but I value their ethnic maps because the time they put in the field and the stakes they place in what they do.[/QUOTE]I guess that goes back to what I said earlier, re: what one considers Tuareg to be. Are they predominantly a continuation of their >10ky old mtDNA H1, M1 and V ancestors or of their ~5kya E-M81 ancestors? If one goes with the former scenario, as I'm inclined to for obvious reasons, then they hands down pre-date Tebu in the wider area. Who are the Libyan Bedouins you're referring to? Isn't ''Bedouin'' a lifestyle related term, which may be applied to segments of all Libyan ethnic groups, rather than an ethnic term, or is it different in Libya? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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