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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Swenet[/b]: [QUOTE] Originally posted by Tukuler: [b]I don't see Teda entering Fezzan any later than the Kels.[/b] I guess that map is as good as any. Does it jibe with other similar maps? There's some Xian missionary group very concerned with African ethnic groups. Maybe I'm simple to do it but I value their ethnic maps because the time they put in the field and the stakes they place in what they do.[/QUOTE]I guess that goes back to what I said earlier, re: what one considers Tuareg to be. Are they predominantly a continuation of their >10ky old mtDNA H1, M1 and V ancestors or of their ~5kya E-M81 ancestors? If one goes with the former scenario, as I'm inclined to for obvious reasons, then they hands down pre-date Tebu in the wider area. Who are the Libyan Bedouins you're referring to? Isn't ''Bedouin'' a lifestyle related term, which may be applied to segments of all Libyan ethnic groups, rather than an ethnic term, or is it different in Libya? [/QUOTE]. Seriously, the Tuareg are the Tuareg -- properly Kel Tamasheq -- they do not consider themselves Berber. They have always identified as iMazighen as many nationalist North Africans now do. But again, iMazighen technically are only the upper echelon of the Kels though the term is applied to all classes combined as one people (kel). Quite plainly there were no Kels before ~1700 years ago. They are of multiple ancestries which for Fezzani "Tuaregs" includes L0a1 L1b1 L2a (L2a1 L2a1a) L2b L3e (L3e1* L3e2 L3e2b L3e3 L3f) L3w and M1 not just biasedly preferred Eurasian markers (due to [i]a priori[/i] assumptions that only those of Eurasian mtDNA's can be the real true North Africans). Anyway without presenting any archaeology or culture evidence Tubu cannot be ruled out as not being in the central Sahara at Fezzan/Acacus/Hoggar just as early as any Eurasians. The rock art shows multi ethnicity and "Tuareg" folk ancestress Tin Hinan's tomb is Tubu. Yes Bedouin is properly a lifestyle, that of tent dwellers. Thing is bedwin everywhere tend to marry inside, the exception being slave "marriage" and illicit affairs with male slaves. Beduin consider themselves separate from other ethnies no matter what country. This doesn't mean beduin from different countries are related to each other. Libya is pretty complex ethnicitywise. There are the indigenees and the conquerers and their mixtures as well as nearby immigrant groups. But before Europe carved out the nation state of Libya just who was Libyan? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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