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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [b] THE OLYMPIAN CREATION MYTH[/b] in[b] Robert Graves[/b][i] The Greek Myths[/i] New York: George Braziller, Inc., 1959 Chapter 3 (in any edition)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Djehuti[/b]: ... you say the Hekatonchieres (hundred-handers) are connected with Libyo-Thracians.[/QUOTE]. The Hekatoncheres Libyo-Thracian thing wasn't me. Everything in that complete repost is by Graves. [QUOTE]... is Graves merely making wild speculations on etymology or rather typology ...[/QUOTE]. Graves' credentials are those of a mythographer. [QUOTE]Graves seems to identify the Garama with a goddess in Anatolia and Greece. How true is this, [/QUOTE]. I trust his myth analyses. [QUOTE]Libyo-Thracians. So this means both Libyans and Thracians? How so, and what is the connection between these two people?? [/QUOTE]. He however gives no sources for his takes on history and ethnology. Same for his linguistics. Graves takes it for granted his readership will be familiar with those from 1950's mainstream academia. Libyo-Thracians best means either those Thracians of Libyan extraction or all peoples in a vector terminaled at Libya and Thrace, more so the latter. Here's what Graves says on the aegis, Libyans, and finally Thrace: [QUOTE][b] THE BIRTH OF ATHENE[/b] According to the Pelasgians, the goddess [URL=http://underscore]Athene was born beside [i]Lake Tritonis[/i] in Libya[/URL], where she was found and nurtured by the three [URL=http://underscore]nymphs of Libya, who dress in [i]goat-skins[/i][/URL]. ... Coming to [URL=http://underscore]Greece by way of Crete[/URL], she lived in the city of Athenae by the Boetian [i]river Triton[/i]. 1. Plato identified Athene, patroness of Athens, with the Libyan goddess Neith, who belonged to an epoch when fatherhood was not recognized. Neith had a temple at Sais, where Solon was treated well merely because he was an Athenian. ... The aegis, however, a magical [i]goat-skin[/i] bag containing a serpent and protected by a Gorgon mask, was Athene's long before Zeus claimed to be her father. [URL=http://underscore][i]Goat-skin[/i] aprons were the habitual costume of Libyan girls[/URL], ... Herodotus writes" 'Athene's garments and aegis were borrowed by the Greeks from the Libyan women, who are dressed in exactly the same way, except that their leather garments are fringed with thongs not serpents.' Ethiopian girls still wear this costume, which is sometimes ornamented with cowries, a yonic symbol. Herodotus adds here that the loud cries of triumph, [URL=http://underscore]olulu, olulu[/URL], uttered in honour of Athene [in the Illiad 6.297-301] were of [URL=http://underscore]Libyan[/URL] origin. ... 2. Pottery finds suggest a [URL=http://underscore]Libyan immigration into Crete as early as 4000 BC[/URL]; and a large number of [URL=http://underscore]goddess-worshipping Libyan refugees from the Western Delta[/URL] seemed to have arrived there when Upper and Lower Egypt were forcefully united under the 1st Dynasty [URL=http://underscore]about the year 3000 BC[/URL]. The 1st Minoan Age began soon afterwards, and [URL=http://underscore]Cretan culture spread to [i]Thrace[/i] and early Hellenic Greece[/URL]. [/QUOTE]. Graves notes two Minoan African components. One derived from 4th millenium Libya and the other a 1000 years later from Western Delta Egypt. This impetus is marked by a goat-skin associated goddess. For whatever there reasons valid or invalid Current scholarship looks askance at Libyan flow to Crete as much as it does Neith Athene identity. Graves makes absolutely no comment on Garamantes going to Crete or Greece. He gives the Greek myth of an exiled Minoan princess bound for Libya and later the birth of her son Garama Amphithemis sire to Nasamona and Kaphauros per the [URL=http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/post/1619]Argonautica 4.1490 (link)[/URL] [QUOTE][i] Acacallis was Apollo's first love; ... he found Acacallis at the house of Carmanor, ... and seduced her. minos was vexed, and banished Acacallis to Libya where, some say, she became the mother of Garamas, though others claim that he was the first man ever born.[/i] [/QUOTE]. [QUOTE] I thought the Greek legend was that the Aegean Sea was named after the Mycenaean king Aegeus [/QUOTE]. Yes, Graves interjected his theory but later relates the actual Greek myth of Aegeus death in that sea which took Aegeus' name in Aegean. Why not borrow Graves? Guarantee you'll find it fascinating and may even want to buy a copy. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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