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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Son of Ra: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Son of Ra: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Son of Ra: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [qb] "Contrary to a widely held assumption, black slavery in Morocco is a modern phenomenon (or ancien regime), not a Medieval one. Blacks from the Western Sudan were first imported in great numbers during the Saadian dynasty (16th century) to be employed in the sugar industry. This industry collapsed when cheaper sugar from Brazil flooded the European market. The heyday of slavery in Morocco came later, in the 17th-18th century." That is also something some of us like to ignore as well. Most of the blacks brought to North Africa slaves came after the 15th century. The black people in North Africa were not slaves but Berbers of the 5 great tribes and the Arabians of Sulaym-Hilal or Mudar (of northern Arabian) stock. [/qb][/QUOTE]Dana. This thread may interest you. http://historum.com/middle-eastern-african-history/59751-myth-trans-saharan-slave-trade.html The poster jehosafats knows his stuff. [/qb][/QUOTE]Here I post a link of a Dutch TV show called "Atlas". It's a competition of famous Dutch personalities who battle each other, the whole rivalry takes place in Morocco, Atlas. I don't know if you will be able to see any of this, due to regional blocking. But if you do see something, let me know. It's in Dutch of course, but images tell a lot. They are at a casbah. You will see what local people look like. No gimmicks and no frills. ;) Singing in the Kashba http://youtu.be/GuDrXA1RPQA http://www.uitzendinggemist.nl/afleveringen/1364921 [/qb][/QUOTE]I can see the video. Thanks! Also do you agree that the Maghreb/Northwest Africa was sparsely populated prior to the 16th century? Which is why the non African population EASILY displaces the African one. [/qb][/QUOTE]Glade you could see it. I would not say 16th century necessarily. But yes, on the sparsely. Most of the Magreb you speak of is Rif, mountain region. More towards the South it becomes dessert. With Oasis. [IMG]http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gomery/Rif.jpg[/IMG] Ancient Greek settlements at North Africa were very local and small. [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xfdy_e6gAbs/Ta1mEAmeWxI/AAAAAAAAAV4/NHkyKpMItOk/s1600/NorthAfrica.gif[/IMG] Most of the foreign populations remained at the coast, since it's hard to enter beyond the Rif and dessert. Which only indigenous Nomadic pastoral populations are familiar with, such as the Tuareg and Fula. " During historic times, Berbers experienced a long and complicated history with many invasions, conquests, and migrations by Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Arabs, Bedouins, Spanish, Turks, Andalusians, sub-Saharans (communities settled in Jerba and Gabes in the 16th–19th centuries), and French (Brett and Fentress 1996). During these invasions, Berbers were forced back to the mountains and to certain villages in southern Tunisia (Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004)." [/qb][/QUOTE]Good post. So what you're basically saying is that the mountains acted as a barrier to outsiders, which is why the population of the Maghreb were so small. Which again agrees with my theory. Its funny and ironic, because Eurocentrics always LOVE to say the Sahara acted as a barrier(when there wasn't always a desert), but also we have this.... [i]Using the Holocene biogeography and palaeohydrology of the Sahara as an analogue for the MIS5 humid period, it is likely that an interconnected waterway would have been available for faunal and human dispersal. [b]This humid period corresponds very closely with the age of the first modern human occupation of the North African coast (45) and the Levant (46) by sub-Saharan populations, who may have been crossing the Sahara at this time[/b] (9)." "Reanalysis of the Saharan zoogeography (SI Appendix, Section 1 and Table S1) suggests that many animals, including water-dependant creatures such as fish and amphibians, dispersed across the Sahara recently. For example, [b]25 North African animal species have a spatial distribution with population centers both north and south of the Sahara and small relict populations in central regions.[/b] This distribution suggests a trans-Saharan dispersal in the past, with subsequent local isolation of central Saharan populations during the more recent arid phase. [b]If a diverse range of species (including fish) can cross the Sahara, it is impossible to envisage the Sahara functioning as barrier to hominin dispersal."[/b][/i] Source: http://www.pnas.org/content/108/2/458.full.pdf How come Eurocentrics never talk about the mountains acting as a barrier??? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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