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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Djehuti[/b]: [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Truthcentric[/b]: Excuse me, but doesn't the majority of the Maghrebi population live alongside the Mediterranean coast? Of course there are Black African groups scattered around the Sahara (albeit most are probably mixed with Arabs and northern Berbers by now), but the phenotypically "Mediterranean" people might outnumber these simply by virtue of occupying the most habitable space.[/QUOTE]It's the same with Egypt! The vast majority of Egyptians today since Islamic times live in the Delta in contrast to pharaonic times when the majority lived in the valley. I don't disagree with you that stereotypical "Mediterraneans" might indeed outnumber the black ones, but at the same time just like Egypt, the number of blacks could also be underestimated. [QUOTE]While I can understand why Black African people might want Hannibal Barca and the Moors as part of their collective heritage, in truth coastal Northwest Africa isn't the best place to look if you're interested in indigenous African urban cultures (or "civilizations"). Carthage started out as a Phoenician colony and the Moors were champions of Arabian Islamic culture more than anything else. Before these strong Eurasian influences, I'm not aware of any urban cultures or monumental architecture in Mediterranean North Africa. If anything, the sub-Saharan peoples have a better track record of indigenous urban developments than the Berbers.[/QUOTE]You may be right about that. Remember that the great urban civilization of Libya that truly was indigenous was the Gramantes who lived to the south in the Fezzan region. Mind you that although the coastal areas were colonized by Phoenicians, there were indeed indigenes who lived along the coasts as well and that it is historical fact that Carthage though a Phoenician colony its civilization largely became the result of fusion with indigenous Africans. [QUOTE]It's primarily due to colonization and influences from Punic, Greco-Roman, and Arab cultures that coastal Northwest Africa has any urban heritage at all. [/QUOTE]True. Note also the influences in clothing and hairstyle. Which was why many Carthagean and other Maghrebi rulers despite their ancestry adopted Greco-Roman style dress and hairstyles. This coupled with their sharp features make it easy for Euronuts like lyinass to pass their unpainted portraits as "cockasian". [/QUOTE]. Just to compound the above (and please don't take this the wrong way) The spectre of Black Africa and implied black low esteem. The Barca family and the Moors ARE African heritage. Just one of many. Certainly no one is jettisoning all other African regions to grasp that of the northwest as proxy to west, east, central, and southern regions. Save that paradigm for when cosmopolitan Rome becomes hands-off as regards European heritage. After all Roman citizens included North Africans and Levantines, even Arabs and Indians. Yet supra-Pyreneean Europeans (White Europeans) are just as partial to Rome as Mediterranean coastal Olive Europeans are. [i] "But that's OK for us, the Africans better not try it."[/i] What are these "Black African groups scattered around the Sahara" as if native Saharan peoples means exclusive of the black -- and that the black must be an immigree from the savannah Gnawa lands or further south? Seems stubborn old school typologies never die. What's forgotten? As late as the 6th century Olive Europeans of Mediterranean coastal Europe placed far northwest Africans in a schema with Saharans, Egyptians, Sudanis, and Indians. Why? Because their colour was of an entirely different cast than Mediterranean Syrians, Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards. Heaven forfend we go back to Aeschylus, so, time to review [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=007013;p=2#000077]Manilius (link)[/URL]. Just a few centuries later alJahiz reported "they," African blacks in Arabia, say the Berbers count among the blacks. An opinion apparently upheld by the Arabized Greek, ibn Butlan (11th century) who likewise classified northwest Africans as blacks. But the spectre of Black African conjures disallowal against these native blacks of northwest Africa as African blacks. Why, so that the heavily and recently admixed coastal Maghrebis can claim that which came well before the advent of their present physicality and by proxy therefore a claim by supra Pyrenee White Europe. even though Maure substituted for Aethiop in Latin poetry with no loss of meaning i.e, a black's a black. Were Aeschylus [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=005789](a half millenia after the Sea Peoples)[/URL], Juvenal [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=007013;p=3#000111](Ceasarian Rome; Moor = spook)[/URL], Manilius [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=007013;p=4#000157](last days of Roman Africa)[/URL] Procopius [URL=http://thenile.phpbb-host.com/phpbb/sutra2603.php&highlight=blackskinned#2603](Vandal century)[/URL], and ibn Butlan [URL=http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/888/black-people-racist?page=3](Islamic era, 3 centuries post-Vandal)[/URL] all hallucinating on psychotropics excluding North Africans from their own white circle (the above underscores are all links follow 'em). Early Holocene deep "Euro" rooted maternal haplogroups have nothing to do with the colour of many many living Maghrebis. Such haplogroups originated from the Middle East. Their bearers were not pink skinned. Euro mommies with non-Euro religion fleeing southwest Europe due to the reconquest and inquisition appears to be the first major flux of pallour that continues up to tomorrow Euro mommies met in clubs, university, vacation, commerce, or some other relation. The few whites always noted among North Africans cannot account for the booming white population found in today's North Africa. Records and photos of 19th and early 20th century prove even Kabylie still had the native type of black in common enough though low frequency. South of the Sahara in the Sahel and Savannah we call Maghrebis, and even Berber or "Arab" Saharans white but we totally separate them from a category that includes most Spaniards, Italians, Albanians, Greeks, French, and all British Islanders, Scandinavians, Central Europeans, Baltics, and Rus Vik Russians. They are "white society's" real white people not including textbook whites (Berbers, Arabs, Indians, etc.) who are not "white society's" white people but buffer caucasoids, acting as proxy whites for White Europeans of low self-esteem writing history books, genetic journals and what have you stealing other people's cultures. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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