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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] By reading his reply, it's clear Djehuti is an undercover racist. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [qb] I wasn't going to respond to you, since I just want people to keep their eyes open in the future for undercover racists on this forum by analysing (future) posts they read. But since you make it so easy, by including an example of it in the same post, here's one example: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QUOTE]Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns, appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time). Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised and white-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons... Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization.." - [i]The Oxford encyclopedia of ancient Egypt,Volume 3. Oxford University Press. p. 28[/i] [/QUOTE]Everything in this could be considered. Divine Kingship, headrests, body arts, rituals, etc. As well as the shared origin and history in (North-)Eastern Africa and the green Sahara. [/qb][/QUOTE][b]LMAO[/b] :D Apparently you don't realize that the source you cited was speaking largely of [b]Sudanese[/b] cultures i.e. successors of the Khartoum Mesolithic, and nowhere did it say anything about West African cultures! [/QUOTE]You're lying here. The author says:"Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to [b]modern African cultures[/b] including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization..". All of those, including divine kingship, headrests, body art, rituals, etc can indeed be seen all over Africa including West Africa.[/qb][/QUOTE]I know perfectly well what the author Donald Redford said, but apparently YOU don't! Of course some of the features like divine kingship and headrests are [i]general[/i] features found all throughout Africa including West Africa but also East Africa as well!! In fact, the exact forms of headrests and divine-kingship resemble East Africans much more than West Africa. The [i]specific[/i] cultural traits are northeast African and Redford specifically states they are of *Sudanese* Khartoum Mesolithic derived assemblage like wavy dotted pottery and harpoons and later Tasian and Badarian cultures. Nowhere did he list specific West African cultures, not that there are no connections to West Africa since the Egyptians do have some ancestry from the Central Sahara as do some West Africans! I asked you name cultural traits the Egyptians possessed that were [b]specific[/b] to West Africans, but you have only listed general traits that East Africans have as well and are actually closer to East Africans! I'm still waiting for you to give an accurate answer. And again I bet you that [b]I[/b] can provide more specific West African traits in Egyptian culture that are NOT found in East Africans than YOU which would then refute your LIE that I sever any ties between Egypt and West Africa!! [QUOTE][qb]We all can see in this example how this racist idiot called [b]Djehuti[/b] is trying to disconnect, West Africa from Ancient Egyptians and the rest of Africa and African cultures. He's more concerned about connecting them to the Levant, West Asia, the Horn, etc aka proxy Eurasian populations. Typical move by undercover racists seeking to prove the dynastic race theory by using proxy Eurasian populations. They used to pose before as horn supremacists. [/qb][/QUOTE][b]LOL[/b] :D And again, nowhere do I deny West Africa's connection to Egypt via the Central Sahara as I just explained above!! The fact of the matter though is that Egypt is in northeast Africa and has far greater affinities with other northeast African cultures! Also when have I [i]ever[/i] espoused or supported the [i]long[/i] DEBUNKED "dynastic race" theory?!! Show me where I have ever tried to connect Egypt with Eurasian populations??! Note that the Horn is in AFRICA and not Eurasia! [b]LOL[/b] :D Please find evidence of my guilt in the following: 1- finding a proxy caucasian populations in Africa (admixed, back migrations, etc) 2- Declaring them African, black or whatever 3- Then claiming Ancient Egyptians are closer to them but not to other Africans like West Africans or Great Lakes people. I'm still waiting Amanutcase-theUltimate for either evidence of your accusations or an APOLOGY. Because I don't take kindly to liars!! :o [/qb][/QUOTE]^^^ This undercover racist is probably the most funny of them. You realize people can read or remember previous posts in the thread right? So why lying again? But again, Djehuti doesn't have anything to say since I caught him lying about the Oxford Encyclopedia quote which indeed mentions: ""Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities [b]to modern African cultures[/b] including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization.."". Which indeed can be seen all over Africa including West Africa. [b]I wouldn't exclude other African populations, like East Africans, since I believe in shared conections between ALL African populations. [/b] You're the one, as well as other undercover racists, trying to divide African people into different races, different part. There's both communality and differences between African people, but they share a common origin, many cultural attributes and history with each others. [QUOTE]I asked you name cultural traits the Egyptians possessed that were [b]specific[/b] to West Africans, [/QUOTE]You know people remember or can read past post right? For one, you didn't ask me anything, I was responding to the lioness. [b] So the big question is why lie about that? [/b] Why lie that you ask me something specific about West Africa? The answer is simple, [b]you couldn't refute my position so you have to invent a question I didn't even answer.[/b] I believe African populations including Ancient Egyptians shared the same origin, many historical, archaeological, linguistic, cultural attributes. Not something specific to each regions. My point being Ancient Egyptians are Africans like Yoruba, Somali, Dinka, Dogon, Wolof, Zulu, Kongo, etc. You won't caught me doing some East vs West things. I leave that to the undercover racists. [QUOTE] but you have only listed general traits that East Africans have as well and are actually closer to East Africans! [/QUOTE]Yes, I listed general traits that East African have too. Isn't that my point? That all African populations including East and West Africans, and AEians of course, share things (origin, etc) between each others? There's both similarities and differences between indigenous African populations and cultures. Similarities comes from their common origin, migration, inter-relationship and admixture between one another. Their differences due to regionalisation. There's no point in saying Ancient Egyptian are African otherwise. Nobody never denied they were in Africa, but the racist in the past tried to tell us they were a dynastic race coming from Western Asia or even Europe, not indigenous black Africans. [QUOTE]Yes, I've cited Ehret many times before on this, but didn't YOU yourself say the Horn is inhabited by Eurasian populations?! [/QUOTE]Another lie. I never said the Horn is inhabited by Eurasian populations. Many horn populations, as a borderline states, are now admixed with Eurasian populations. Which is normal. They are still mostly African but they got a substantial amount of Eurasian admixtures. What I said, is that undercover racists like to use Horners, as proxy eurasian population since they got admixture with Eurasian population in recent time. Same with modern Egyptians. Genetically, you can see it, for example, by the presence of F-descendants y-DNA haplogroups (like J) in those populations. What is important to understand is that modern Egypt, the Horn, Africa in general and many places in the world (eg Mesopotamia) have a completely different ethnic composition now than 5000 years ago!!! For example, Horners weren't as admixed in Ancient time as they are now. While most of them are still mostly African, and thus are related to Ancient Egyptians, undercover racists loves them because of their Eurasian admixture and connection. You do seem to like them too, from what I see. At one point, talking ills of horn supremacist and then becoming one of them in the same post! You said, "actually closer to East Africans". So you mean modern East Africans right? QED Now, I just hope people keeps their eyes open for those undercover racists. They are fake black Africans (or fake Asian in the case of Djehuti). They are liars. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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