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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan-Enrique Cardova,: 2) Why is "inner Africa" some sort of litmus test as to Diop, van Sertima or the concept of a deep African cultural sub-stratum in the Nile Valley? Few European scholars are going insinuating that since ancient Greek temples or language do not appear in ancient Sweden or Britain then that means Sweden or Britain are not part of European civilization or culture. Just because hymns to Osiris fail to be found on cave walls in Kenya does not in the slightest bit weaken the fact that the peoples of both Kenya and the Nile Valley are part of one African reality- (DNA, cultural, limb proportion etc) diverse indeed, but ultimately one- just as Greeks and Swedes form part of a European reality. Diop indeed was opposed to Eurocentric models of "splittism" by insinuation- splitting Africa up into little chunks which can then be regrouped in such a way as to deny or minimize commonality.[/QUOTE]The thing that "Westernize" was conquest of Europe by the Romans and a later Renaissance and enlightenment where Greek and Roman ideas in writing were revived and introduced into Western Europe. Early Northern and Central European cultural roots is a separate issue from the Greek and Roman empires. DNA and genetic ancestry is a separate issue periods, deep into the prehistoric. One thing is biological roots the other is the spread of a man made culture. "Greco-Roman" "Classical Thought" is something that was brought into Europe by Roman invasion, rediscovered and revived and integrated into European thought hundreds of years later. Saying that the foundation of Egyptian culture is African culture is different from saying Egyptian thought and technology which had unique features was then spread into Africa (with the exception of Nubia) by invasion or other Africans interest in it. Egyptian dynastic culture did not spread into Africa like Greco-Roman culture spread into Europe. If you want to say Egyptian civilization was founded on African civilization then an analogous comparison would be to say the foundation of Neolithic Western European culture was a Greek culture but this was a culture far before any of the Greek philosophers or classical temples, all farming villages at that time, before writing. However Greece and Rome are not the only foundations of Western Civilization. A huge part is Christianity which came from Judaism with possible influences from Egyptian Atenism and Persian Zorastrianism. The distinctive thing being the belief in one god and no others and idea the Egyptians tried but rejected. Also sin, hell, forgiveness, salvation and religious law. The Bible is a large part of Western civilization and spread all throughout Europe. The Europeans translated the old Greek and Roman texts. This sort of thing did not happen with dynastic Egypt spreading all across Africa or Egyptian gods seeping all across Africa coming from Egypt. The Egyptian borrowed some local African gods but that is come from the other direction. Egypt is not the Greece and Rome of Africa. Not unless Africans choose to make it that with a major interest and integration of dynastic Egyptian culture into their own wiki: The Greeks contrasted themselves to their Eastern neighbors, such as the Trojans in Iliad, setting an example for later contrasts between east and west. In the Middle Ages, the Near East provided a contrast to the West, though Hellenized since the time of Alexander the Great, and ruled from Rome and Constantinople. Concepts of what is the West arose out of legacies of the Western Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire. Later, ideas of the west were formed by the concepts of Latin Christendom and the Holy Roman Empire. What we think of as Western thought today originates primarily from Greco-Roman and Germanic influences, and includes the ideals of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, as well as Christian culture. The West as a geographical area, of populations, is less clear. There is some disagreement about what nations should or should not be included in the category, and at what times. Many parts of the Eastern Roman Empire are considered Western today, but were obviously Eastern in the past. In Homeric literature, and right up until the time of Alexander the Great, for example in the accounts of the Persian Wars of Greeks against Persians by Herodotus, we see the paradigm of a contrast between the West and East. Nevertheless the Greeks felt they were the most civilized and saw themselves (in the formulation of Aristotle) as something between the wild barbarians of most of Europe and the soft, slavish Middle-Easterners. Ancient Greek science, philosophy, democracy, architecture, literature, and art provided a foundation embraced and built upon by the Roman Empire as it swept up Europe, including the Hellenic World in its conquests in the 1st century BC. In the meantime however, Greece, under Alexander, had become a capital of the East, and part of an empire. In the early 21st century, with increasing globalism, it has become more difficult to determine which individuals fit into which category, and the East–West contrast is sometimes criticized as relativistic and arbitrary.[ The Renaissance (UK /rɨˈneɪsəns/, US /ˈrɛnɨsɑːns/, French pronunciation: ​[ʁənɛsɑ̃s], from French: Renaissance "re-birth", Italian: Rinascimento, from rinascere "to be reborn")[1] was a cultural movement that spanned the period roughly from the 14th to the 17th century, beginning in Italy in the Late Middle Ages and later spreading to the rest of Europe. Though availability of paper and the invention of metal movable type sped the dissemination of ideas from the later 15th century, the changes of the Renaissance were not uniformly experienced across Europe. As a cultural movement, it encompassed innovative flowering of Latin and vernacular literatures, beginning with the 14th-century resurgence of learning based on classical sources. Renaissance humanists such as Poggio Bracciolini sought out in Europe's monastic libraries the Latin literary, historical, and oratorical texts of Antiquity, while the Fall of Constantinople (1453) generated a wave of émigré Greek scholars bringing precious manuscripts in ancient Greek, many of which had fallen into obscurity in the West. It is in their new focus on literary and historical texts that Renaissance scholars differed so markedly from the medieval scholars of the Renaissance of the 12th century, who had focused on studying Greek and Arabic works of natural sciences, philosophy and mathematics, rather than on such cultural texts. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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