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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by blingdogg: @Amun-Ra The Ultimate: No, whitewashing [...] I agree with some of what you’re saying, but I don’t think you’re getting what I and Son of Ra are saying. [/QUOTE]I fully understand what you're saying. But maybe you don't realize it but you're whitewashing the history of Ancient Egypt. Just look at this thread, instead of talking about Ancient Egypt in Africa aka in Sub-Sahara Africa, since this is the subject of the book. You prefer to talk about modern Egyptians which we know are admixed with Eurasian people. You could have talked about (admixed) Horn Africans with the same results. So the way you talk is very close to the Hamitic myth. Instead of talking about most African people, which are genetically (as well as culturally, and historically of course) close to each other, you prefer to talk about populations which we know are admixed with foreign element to various degree. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Son of Ra: [qb] Most Upper Egyptians still carry significant African genes. Also I remember the mod Ausar who is Egyptian himself saying in an old thread that there was this Egyptian ethnic group in Upper Egypt that still practiced parts of the Ancient Egyptian culture and some of the words in the Arabic language they spoke were Ancient Egyptian. Don't remember the ethnic group name. [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree with everything you said. Using words like "most" "significant" may be too strong due to the lack of studies backing it up (I still need to look thoroughly at the Keita study you posted). But there's definitely some populations in Southern Egypt that are closely genetically affiliated with Africans and thus Ancient Egyptians. Maybe most of it, who knows. Beja and Nubian in southern Egypt certainly have some Africans genes as well as non-African genes. But as a whole, modern Egyptians don't have that much African genes. They also don't match Ancient Egyptian mummies aDNA. People in the South do have a higher percentage of African genes, but they also do have foreign admixture. Like Horn Africans, we know Southern Egyptians population are also admixed to various degree. In fact, even many populations in the North of Sudan are admixed to various level as well(a bit to a lot). Many other Africans are also, to various degree. "Recent" Admixture is great for humanity, but it's not very good to identify the genetic relationship with Ancient Egyptians. Genetic studies thus far, among other disciplines, show close affiliation between Africans (so-called sub-Sahara Africans) with Ancient Egyptians. Aka Ancient Egyptians *are* Africans. So the situation in modern Egypt did change a lot of the last 5000 years. There's been numerous foreign invasions/migration (Assyrians,Greeks,Arabs,British, etc) which changed the genetic make up of both northern and southern Egyptians to various degree. More in the north of course, but in the south too. There's also been a lot of migration movement/admixture/genetic drift within Africa and in the world in general in the last 5000 years. Even West Africa and Southern Africa were sparsely populated at that time. Immigration from the Eastern Africa and the Sahara, changed the ethnic composition and genetic make up of those regions as well (with less foreign input due to distance and geographic position). [/QB][/QUOTE]
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