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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]the lioness,[/b]: After North African Capsian culture there is a) 1-2000 year gap of no evidence of human habitation settlements in the Maghreb b) Possibly there were some nomads around. [/QUOTE]So which is it a or b? I sincerely doubt all the people there disappeared in a puff of smoke for your unspecified time frame. [/qb][/QUOTE]I don't know for sure Lack of evidence for human suggests largely a) -a depopulation that corresponds to the drying of the Sahara. The people would not have disappeared they would have migrated to other parts of Africa just like people left Northern and Central Europe when Ice age temperatires set in. Libyans are one of the predominant ancient Maghrebian ethnicities. Greeks say they were long haired and it is confirmed in much of the Egyptian art. I have posted several examples of Libyans in E art confirming this. Heodotus described two main regions of Libyans and this breaks down further into tribes Examples of Libyans in Egyptians art show some skin tones similar to Egyptian and others notably lighter. Their exact origin is unknown. They are of a time period when foreign "Sea people" were coming into Africa. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: As far as I can make things out Carthage's people over time became more of African ancestry than Levantine and identified themselves strictly as Carthaginian by cultural ethnic identity but not Canaani. As an example, self identified Carthaginian Severus his tondo shows different phenotypes for himself and his Syrian (Syria => Ssur => Tyre) wife. [/QUOTE]^^Here is the Tondo> [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Septimusseverustondo.jpg[/IMG] You mean to tell me because he is portrayed here as darker that is proof of primary African deep rooted indigenous origin and not just African by nationality? He was born in Leptis Magna a Roman city in Libya. It's unbelievable to me someone can look at the above picture and think he looks specifically African. He is described as having a Pheonician father and an Italian mother. Could an individual who looked like that have deep rooted indigenous African ancestry? Maybe but where's the evidence? Are we to assume the below men are primarily African based on skin tone alone? [URL=http://www.ephotobay.com/share/picture-38-27.html] [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-38-27.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://www.ephotobay.com/share/picture-28-3.html] [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-28-3.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://www.ephotobay.com/share/picture-30-4.html] [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-30-4.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://www.ephotobay.com/share/picture-39-13.html] [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-39-13.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://www.ephotobay.com/share/picture-24-1.html] [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-24-1.png[/IMG][/URL] Look on google images "Cartheginian coins" or "Numidian Coins" or "Mauretanian coins" Most by far most do not look particularly African many look more similar to Greeks and Romans, yet some were minted in Utica which was in Tunisa Africa and the coins sometimes have speicifc named people. Did they have some coins that looked particulary African yes and they have been posted many times before but if you look at the context, proportionatly these are very few and of nameless people. Also an African person living in Carthage is not necessarily an African of North African ancestry. You can disregard anything I said but you still have to have stronger proof than brown skin to prove that Carthage was primarily comprised of deep rooted indigenous North Africans. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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