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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol aka Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] you should retract saying what I said was a lie because it wasn't a lie. If you wnat to add Holocene and Neolithic E3 it doesn't mean what I said was a lie. So in fact you saying what I said is a lie > is a lie. You need to study logic an rhetoric Also you are using reasoning that does not correspond to the very quotes you are using. They were talking about what they called "Middle Eastern" farmer input into Europe. That is from about 7000 years ago coming from Anatolia. Because these farmers had E3 you are taking it upon yourself to call them Africans. And most of the time people don't know what your point is when you rely on quotes but have a different intent than the authors of those quotes but you don't state it in your own words until I have to press it out of you to be clear [/qb][/QUOTE]I already stated why you lie, but you are too stupid to grasp this concept. Your lie is in that you try to ignore the African Holocene and Neolithic migration into Southern Europe. As if they only recently entered Southern Europe during the spread of Islam. This twisted suggestion isn't true, therefore it's a lie. If no one stops you, you simply continue making up shyt! It's no not me, who needs to learn about logic and rhetoric it's you. You are mixing up time frames to win a argument. A argument which you lost already. All you can do is try to save face. Your pseudo wiki attempts are amusing, liar! Most of the time people do know my point, most of the time you are called out for what you are, a liar and a twister. A Wikipedia pseudo ranter, with irrelevant picture spamming. So, to end this, when I cite it's all clearcut, but for you it's not since you are delusional and liar with multiple pseudo accounts. [IMG]http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/n6/images/ejhg2008249f2.jpg[/IMG] Repost, [QUOTE] "In this context it is likely that Bronze Age events may have facilitated the southward diffusion of populations carrying northern and central European biological elements and may have contributed to some degree of admixture between northern and central Europeans and Anatolians, and on a larger scale, between northeastern Mediterraneans and Anatolians. Even if we do not know which populations were involved, historical and archaeological data suggest, for instance, the 2nd millenium B.C. Minoan and later Mycenaean occupation of Anatolian coast, the arrival in Anatolia in the early 1st millennium B.C. of the Phrygians coming from Thrace, and later the arrival of settlers from Macedonia in Pisidia and in the Sagalassos territory (under Seleucid rule). The coming of the Dorians from Northern Greece and central Europe (the Dorians are claimed to be one of the main groups at the origin of the ancient Greeks) may have also brought northern and central European biological elements into southern populations. Indeed, the Dorians may have migrated southward to the Peloponnese, across the southern Aegean and Create, and later reached Asia Minor." [...] "From the Mesolithic to the early Neolithic period different lines of evidence support an out-of-Africa Mesolithic migration to the Levant by northeastern African groups that had biological affinities with sub-Saharan populations. From a genetic point of view, several recent genetic studies have shown that sub-Saharan genetic lineages (affiliated with the Y-chromosome PN2 clade; Underhill et al. 2004) have spread through Egypt into the Near East, the Mediterranean area, and, for some lineages, as far north as Turkey(E3b-M35 Y lineage; Cinnioglu et al. 2004; Luis et al. 2004), probably during several dispersal episodes since the Mesolithic (Cinnioglu et al. 2004; King et al. 2008; Lucotte and Mercier 2003; Luis et al. 2004; Quintanna-Murci et al. 1999; Semino et al. 2004; Underhill et al. 2001). This finding is in agreement with morphological data that suggest that populations with sub-Saharan morphological elements were present in northeastern Africa, from the Paleolithic to at least the early Holocene, and diffused northward to the Levant and Anatolia beginning in the Mesolithic. Indeed, the rare and incomplete 33,000-year-old Nazlet Khater specimen (Pinhasi and Semal 2000), the Wadi Kubbaniya skeleton from the late Paleolithic site in the upper Nile Valley (Wendorf et al. 1986), the Qarunian (Faiyum) early Neolithic crania (Henneberg et al. 1989; Midant-Reynes 2000), and the Nabta specimen from the Neolithic Nabta Playa site in the western desert of Egypt (Henneberg et al. 1980)-show, with regard to the great African biological diversity, similarities with some of the sub-Saharan middle Paleolithic and modern sub-Saharan specimens. This affinity pattern between ancient Egyptians and sub-Saharans has also been noticed by several other investigators (Angel 1972; Berry and Berry 1967, 1972; Keita 1995) and has been recently reinforced by the study of Brace et al. (2005), which clearly shows that the cranial morphology of prehistoric and recent northeast African populations is linked to sub-Saharan populations (Niger-Congo populations). These results support the hypothesis that some of the Paleolithic-early Holocene populations from northeast Africa were probably descendents of sub-Saharan ancestral populations." [...] "Keeping in mind these three elements, if we consider the affinity of the Sagalassos population with the sub-Saharan populations from Gabon and Somalia, a recent direct contact between these populations and regions probably can be excluded because they are seperated by significant geographic distances. However, indirect contacts through geographically intermediary populations carrying "sub-Saharan"biological features in the late Pleistocene-Holocene period are discussion points." [/QUOTE]--F. X. Ricaut M. Waelkens Cranial Discrete Traits in a Byzantine Population and Eastern Mediterranean Population Movements Human Biology - Volume 80, Number 5, October 2008, pp. 535-564 [/QB][/QUOTE]
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