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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [qb] OK, fair enough, I accept that you have put some info on the floor that should be considered. I still lean towards a more spread out pattern of smaller expeditions over years. Even the famous Chinese Admiral Cheng Ho in his 7 voyages seldom had a fleet larger than 350 ships, and these were big ocean going junks, and even his voyages wee spread out over almost 30 years- from 1405 to 1433. Nevertheless, I am not just trying to be negative on possibility. I will add the following to the knowledge pool which will actually strengthen you case somewhat, as far as technical feasibility. Says one reference on the canoes: [i]"The Songhai "kanta" could carry up to 30 tons of goods, i.e. the load capacity of 1,000 men, 200 camels, 300 cattle or a flotilla of 20 regular canoes (Mauny 1961). Some of these boats had an even greater load capacity of 50 to 80 tons (Tvmowski, 1967)" [/i] --Inge Tvedten, Bjorn Hersoug. 1992. Fishing for Development: small -scale fisheries in Africa. 57. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Afrimilibowarcanoe2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.kon-tiki.no/images/sites/epowvhgvpl/pictures/Ekspedisjoner/Ra/Ra1og2VoyageMapSmall_crop2.jpg[/IMG] ^^Based on the kanta loadouts above at a moderate 30 tons per ship, one can see the Africans had the muscle to move men and material, once the vessels could be adapted for oceanic travel. The picture above is of a war canoe. Most likely if configured for long distance use it would have less men needed for rowers, and would need some sort of sails. What do you have as far as sailing technology in the region around this time? [/qb][/QUOTE]The first thing you should do is stop comparing cultural traditions. Cheng Ho just directed a trade that was already created in South China by the Black Yueh tribes. The Shang literature makes it clear that the Yueh and other people living in Southern China possessed watercraft (Ling, 1970). In the Shang Oracle writing the term for boat was ba, and outrigger canoe (two canoes connected together) was fang (Ling, 1970). The double canoe was popular in Fiji up to 1913 (Ling, 1970). The Shang term for boat ba (fa), agrees with the Polynesian words for boat pahi, and pae. The Yin or Polynesian type boat is associated with the Austronesian speakers (Chang, 1967; Winters, 1986). [/QB][/QUOTE]
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