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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] why do you quote articles and fail to name them? Parallel Evolution of Genes and Languages in the Caucasus Region Oleg Balanovsky,1,2 These analyses indicated that linguistic diversity is at least as important as geography in shaping the Y-chromosomal landscape, and suggested that the pronounced genetic structure of the Caucasus might have evolved in parallel with the diversification of the North Caucasus languages. __________________________ As with the term "Saharan-Arabian" a term that indicates two continents, the authors of this study use the term "Near East" and also refer to two continents. They are defining the term "Near East" to include Iranian, Turk, Armenian, Turk, Lebanese, Jordanian, Sudan Arabs. Algerians So from these terms alone we cannot determine the point of origin because a haplogroup did not originate in two places. Do you get that? [QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [qb] I can't make this shyte up. LOL! I hate being right..so often. J1 did NOT spread with Islam. Most likely an African origin. But definitely NOT a Caucasus origin and spread pre-historical times. [/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [qb] These things are so simply to deduce. He! He! [/qb][/QUOTE]this is not deductive reasoning, two different locations were included in "Near East" you simply picked one arbitrarily and decided that is origin. There had been cultural contact between Nubians and Arabs long before the rise of Islam.[b] So the fact that additional J1 came through the spread of Islam does not mean J1 originated in Sudan.[/b] In the past you had said you though frequency was the primary factor The highest frequency is in the Caucus, so now you choose to ignore Origin is suggested by a combination of frequency and diversity The highest diversity of J1 is in the Zagros/Taurus mountain region (Iran/Iraq) Ciaroni 2010, I already posted it. Also high diversity in Turkey The highest frequency of J1 in a larger region is in Arabia. Sudan is only high frequency in Khartoum Sudan has la low diversity of J1 And consider there are non-Arab Sudanese So you ignore all this because you there is some underlying political reason you want J1 to have originated in Sudan/Algeria. [IMG]http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/J1.png[/IMG] Also notable the relative higher frequencies of J1 in Sudan and where the Sudan Arab population is in in the Northern half. This suggest the enty into Sudan was from North to South not from Yemen across the red sea. That is evident looking at the map Khartoum served as outpost for the Egyptian Army, but the settlement grew quickly as a regional center of trade. It also became a focal point for the trading in slaves. It became the administrative center for Sudan, and later the official capital. [IMG]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/images/tuareg-map-1.jpg[/IMG] ^^^ The Tuareg region. As expected,they have little no to J1 probably because they are inland -away from the larger coastal trading routes and settlements of the Arabs- including pre-Islamic Arabs [/QB][/QUOTE]
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