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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep: [QB] To understand the work of Mboli, you have to understand the greater field of linguistics. Within the greater field of historical linguistics, it is the custom to establish the relationships via the comparative method, and then attempt to explain the relationship with a theory we call a "language phylum." The Africanist school, however, did not do this. They, using typological and surface circumstantial 'evidence', created the families 'first', then tried to find the evidence to support their conclusion. This aspect of the Africanist school is what is being challenged here by Mboli. He goes after each so-called super-phylum and debunks these arbitrary families and shows the important weaknesses in the method used to come to their conclusions. For instance, pp 40-78 is spent on debunking Afro-Asiatic. You come to find out that not a single criteria pertaining to the very rigorous comparative method has been used by those linguists who argue for Afro-Asiatic: i.e., Ehret, Orel & Stobolva, Bomhart, etc. What Mboli does, in reality, is harden the criteria as evidenced in his Chapter III: Méthode comparative et langues africaines………... What you often find are linguists in Africana comparing large lists of vocabulary words, but they never compare two languages fully, e.g., Egyptian and Arabic, in an extended and consistent way as required by the comparative method, even though they claim both languages are genetically related. [QUOTE] Chapitre III. Méthode comparative et langues africaines………... 87 III.1 La méthode comparative et son emploi........................................ 88 III.2 Caractéristiques générales des langues africaines ........................ 92 III.3 Conditions d'application de la méthode comparative en Afrique.......................................................................................... 94 III.3.1 Emploi exclusif des seuls faits réellement attestés................... 95 III.3.2 Exclusion de tout élément dont l'étymologie ne peut être 6 établie à partir de la langue à laquelle il appartient................. 95 III.3.3 Étude approfondie de toutes les formes d'une racine............... 98 [/QUOTE]As it regards the syllabic structure of the Negro-Egyptienne languages, Mboli notes: [QUOTE] L’établissement de cet arbre généalogique nous permet déjà de rendre compte de la dynamique et de la typologie des langues étudiées et même de toutes les langues négro-africaines telles qu’on les connaît actuellement. Tout d’abord on constate que les structures syllabiques de loin les plus fréquentes sont CV et CVC. Cette dernière est incontestablement liée à l’innovation à l’origine du dialecte beer, tandis que la première peut être le fait des deux dialectes. p. 444 [/QUOTE]As it regards the migrations of Negro-Egyptienne, Mboli demonstrates that there were two primary dialectical branches he calls BERE and BEER respectively. The following are two migration maps based on the research and it would generally agree with what you have been arguing. [IMG]http://www.asarimhotep.com/images/stories/10008393_10201531091614427_357859812_n.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.asarimhotep.com/images/random/migration_branch_bere.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.asarimhotep.com/images/random/migration_branche_beer.jpg[/IMG] I wish I had time to do a detailed analysis on this forum of Mboli's work. It's so extensive and covers a lot of ground. Get the book, learn French, apply the method and see for yourself. This is an African-Centered work of the highest quality and challenges every Eurocentric supposition in regards to the classification of African languages. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] I hope you pay attention to the examples he provide for Proto-African terms you will note that most proto-African terms are*-vcv, *cvcv , and very little evidence of aspiration. After reviewing the proto-African terms cited in the text you may recognize my concern about oboli's Negro-Egyptian reconstructions. [/qb][/QUOTE]I can't discuss much the validity of books I don't have. Just to make it clear, since it seems you're talking to me. I didn't read Mboli's book so I know almost nothing about his reconstruction. I also have some interrogations about the little I read about it. What I support is [URL=http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6195/tableaunegroegyptienthe.png]Obenga's Negro-Egyptian classification[/URL] . What is proposed seems to be in line with other bio(genetic)-archeological line of evidence (E-P2,etc). It is also somewhat very close to the mainstream viewpoints about African languages classification. It only add a common ancestor language at the top of well known African language families. Considering all African languages families are said to have originated in the same approximate area in Eastern Africa by mainstream linguistic, it seems to make sense those African people shared a common language further back in time ("Niger-Saharan" is already proposed by other linguists). They also share common ancestor genes like E-P2. [/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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