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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: What, like claiming that DNA Tribes states that the mummies have the closest relationships with any region while they keep repeating that their tests don't quantify admixture? [/QUOTE]I don't see the problem you have with the DNA Tribes results. They match Great Lakes, Southern Africans and West Africans more than any other population on earth (in or related to populations in the DNA Tribes database). It matches indigenous black African people. I don't see any problem. Who do you want them to match more? Middle Easterners? Modern Egyptians? Don't be ridiculous. The results are there for everyone to see. We also know Ancient Egyptians are indigenous Africans from this thread. [QUOTE] Or do you mean the instance where your dumbass [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=008808]tried to insinuate that Hassan said that the Meroites were predominantly A-M13[/URL], when he in fact said that Yap predominated in the Meroitic sample? [/QUOTE]Ok, that's a better point you got there. For one, it has been proven than Meroitic is a Nilo-Saharan language. So they were Nilo-Saharans. I guess other ethnic groups joined them along the years in this great empire. It's often the case with large empire which become major trading centers too. In the thread dedicated to it, I said: [QUOTE]It must be said that this also goes in line with the ancient DNA (aDNA) analysis of neolithic remains in Sudan [b]which shows A-M13 being the main haplogroup among early settlers[/b] . A-M13 is prevalent in Sudan among modern day Dinka (62%), Shilluk (53%), Borgu (35%). [/QUOTE]Here I just wanted to place Nilo-Saharan speakers in the region of the Kushite empire. Not as migrant but as founder. Nobody knows for sure the whole genetic profile of the Kushites population but when you know, from linguistic, that they are Nilo-Saharans you can see why I mention A-M13 since it's a prevalent haplogroup among Nilo-Saharans in Sudan. That's all. As the Hassan paper it mentions: [QUOTE] Accordingly, through limited on number of aDNA samples, there is enough data to suggest and to tally with the historical evidence of the dominance by Nilotic elements during the early state formation in the Nile Valley [/QUOTE]While then he talks about the dominance of Nuba/Nubians. For me, that's enough to place Nilo-Saharans in the Kushite region during the early state formation. Nuba people and Nubians speakers are Niger-Congo (Niger Kordofanian) and Nilo-Saharan speakers respectively. We also know than Nubians arrived much later and led to the fall of the Meroitic/Kushite empire. So I combined the two. The presence of Nilo-Saharan A-M13 in the early state formation and the fact that Meroitic is a Nilo-Saharan language. I don't think the Kushite or any ancient civilizations had only one haplogroup. That's ridiculous. Populations are always composed of many haplogroups and lineages. Larger empires often composed of many ethnic groups. [QUOTE] What about the fact that your dumbass keeps posting Rosa et al 2011's image of the distribution of E-M2 in Africa when Ramses' e1b1a is not at all the same thing as E-M2. You've been clued into this fact but you just keep on perpetuating your lying ass self-serving case. [/QUOTE]Many West Africans are E1b1a carriers so is Ramses III according to the study. I don't see the problem you have with that. I never claimed that West Africans are descendants of Ancient Egyptians, I just said they share common ancestors as do many other African populations between each others. West Africans carry both E-V38 and E-M2. E-V38 being ancestral to E-M2. So Ramses III and modern West Africans share both the common E-V38 and E-M2 ancestor. So they, their ancestors, were once part of the same population in Eastern Africa. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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