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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: Smith's statement is only a pyrrhic victory when one realizes precisely what his words mean depending on who's reading it. Eg., "black" but not negro as in all Africans are not black meaning nearly all the Afro-Asian speakrs of the north countries and even black skinned Ethiopians etc.. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [qb] [b]"Any characterization of race of the ancient Egyptians depends on modern cultural definitions, not on scientific study. Thus, by modern American standards it is reasonable to characterize the Egyptians as "blacks", while acknowledging the scientific evidence for the physical diversity of Africans."[/b] - The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt (2001) [/qb][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]If "black" were a scientific definition you would not have to put it in quotes in a scientific context. The American definition of "blacks" is "Negroes" is [b]people with brown skin and afro hair.[/b] That means anybody with brown skin and an afro regardless of if they are North, East, West or South African. The modern American definition is the societal definition of "Negro" -anybody with dark skin and an afro. Not some other 19th century definition that might exclude Ethiopians, Somalis or other East Africans. The American definition is that if people have afros and dark skin they are Negroes aka Blacks. The old scientific racism variants which Coon based on are NOT the modern American definition that most people go by, not at all. [b]No American person today looks at an Ethiopian who has an afro and says they are not black[/b] So if you go back to Napoleon's time and Europeans were saying the AEs were white that doesn't mean the definition of black and white is necessarily different. It means they were placing the AE's into what the Oxford Encyclopedia would say is the wrong category to put them into. So if the Oxford Encyclopedia says they are not whites but blacks according to the American standard that means someone with brown skin and an afro and it doesn't matter if they are East African, Ethiopian according to the American definition blacks have afros and can be from any location. That is the current American definition, in my opinion. It's easy to test. Show a photo of an Ethiopian or Somali with an afro to the average American, no doubt if you ask them what race they are they will say black. Show them an Indian with straight hair and ask them what race they are they will say "Indian" , "Arab" , "Brown" or "Asian" They won't say "Black" Like it or not that is the current 21st century American definition. Lamin pointed it out in another thread, people who pass the pencil test. You may not like that definition but that is the American definition of today Now go back to the thread title "The Ancient Egyptian state had an indigenous African origin" ^^^ if you have a statement like this you don't even have to get caught up in the varying points of view on what the unscientific word "black" means or if some people have an afro or not. > "indigenous" is the key word, indigenous African [/QB][/QUOTE]
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