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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] FORUM BIODIVERSITY pg87 SAYS: [b]Not necessarily. The originally Sub-Saharan elements likely have made their way to North Africa between 12,000 and 7,000 years ago[/b] ^^Not necessarily. Other data indicates a much earlier "sub-Saharan" presence in "North Africa" - FROM BEFORE 20,000 years ago. [b]Frigi: " This conclusion points to an ancient African gene flow to Tunisia before 20,000 years BP." [/b] quote: [i]"Our objective is to highlight the age of sub-Saharan gene flows in North Africa and particularly in Tunisia. Therefore we analyzed in a broad phylogeographic context sub-Saharan mtDNA haplogroups of Tunisian Berber populations considered representative of ancient settlement. More than 2,000 sequences were collected from the literature, and networks were constructed. The results show that the most ancient haplogroup is L3*, which would have been introduced to North Africa from eastern sub-Saharan populations around 20,000 years ago. Our results also point to a less ancient western sub-Saharan gene flow to Tunisia, including haplogroups L2a and L3b. This conclusion points to an ancient African gene flow to Tunisia before 20,000 years BP. These findings parallel the more recent findings of both archaeology and linguistics on the prehistory of Africa. The present work suggests that sub-Saharan contributions to North Africa have experienced several complex population processes after the occupation of the region by anatomically modern humans. Our results reveal that Berber speakers have a foundational biogeographic root in Africa and that deep African lineages have continued to evolve in supra-Saharan Africa." [/i] --Frigi et al. Human Biology (August 2010 (82:4) -------------------------------------------- [b]Detailed analysis shows the stone tool industries in the region are variants of a single whole, with several assemblagles showing more affinity to African industries that to the Middle Paleolithic of western EUrasia.[/b] [QUOTE] North Africa is quickly emerging as one of the more important regions yielding information on the origins of modern Homo sapiens. Associated with significant fossil hominin remains are two stone tool industries, the Aterian and Mousterian, which have been differentiated, respectively, primarily on the basis of the presence and absence of tanged, or stemmed, stone tools. Largely because of historical reasons, these two industries have been attributed to the western Eurasian Middle Paleolithic rather than the African Middle Stone Age. In this paper, drawing on our recent excavation of Contrebandiers Cave and other published data, we show that, aside from the presence or absence of tanged pieces, there are no other distinctions between these two industries in terms of either lithic attributes or chronology. Together, these results demonstrate that these two ‘industries’ are instead variants of the same entity. [i]Moreover, several additional characteristics of these assemblages, such as distinctive stone implements and the manufacture and use of [b]bone tools and possible shell ornaments, suggest a closer affinity to other Late Pleistocene African Middle Stone Age industries rather than to the Middle Paleolithic of western Eurasia.[/b][/i] [/QUOTE]--On the industrial attributions of the Aterian and Mousterian of the Maghreb, Harold L. Dibble et al. Journal of Human Evolution, 2013 Elsevier. African Archaeological Review ---------------------------------------------------------------- [b]It should also be kept in mind that in many studies "North Africa" primarily refers to sampling near the Medit coast, not a significant inland range.[/b] When a fuller data set is looked at "North Africa" appears a lot different. Numerous scholars cluster inland areas in Sudan, Chad, Mali etc as part of "North Africa." A country could be both "sub-Saharan" and "North African" depending on the definitions used. Mediterranean coast "North Africa" may not necessary be representative of the fuller regional picture. [IMG]http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7343/mapofnorthafricaphysica.jpg[/IMG] ---------------------------------------------------- forum biodiversity pg87 says: [b]Ancient Egyptians were definitely pulling more towards West Asian populations (just based on geography), but to what degree and whether they were predominately so is definitely unfounded.[/b] Actually, how could Ancient Egyptians be "pulling more towards West Asian populations" when Holliday's analysis actually shows them clustering with other tropical Africans? [IMG]http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/261/yx58.jpg[/IMG] And "based on Geography" Nubia is just as close to Egypt as "Eurasia". In fact, the closet cousins of Ancient Egyptians are Nubians as credible mainstream Egyptology have noted for some time, and said Nubians show up distinctly in various Egyptian dynasties long before the famous 25th. [IMG]http://www.ephotobay.com/image/nubian-influence-pharoahs2.jpg[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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