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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] [b] Some people like to broadcast information to the public in A blog or forum-like setting and be the center of attention. Others like to post in online communities where there is a healthy ratio of people who contribute and where there is emphasis on active and serious interaction and analysis. I can't see why anyone would dismiss the latter out of hand as "clicking up" or "posting from ivory towers" unless they had some self-serving bias against didactic settings where there is little opportunity to be in the spotlight every day and bathe in praise from the public. If the information is really as widespread and easily accessible as you keep repeating every other post, there shouldn't be a need for every ES member to be hands on deck every day and follow your bombard-them-to-death-with-barrages-of-old-data philosophy. [/b] Swenet I have no beef with you or the Facebook thing. I only object to how you and some folks keep dismissing legitimate extensions of, and new elaboration to existing knowledge on ES as valueless or "unneeded." Then of course the question arises as to why y'all still hang around ES since all is supposedly dying and only fit for alleged "old news." As for the information being widespread, it is widespread and accessible precisely because of the accurate cites and summation in existence, and the new extensions and analysis are being distributed almost every week "on deck" rather than circulated mainly in a closed venue. Information is not a static entity- but a living changing thing. [b]Other than the aforementioned reason of craving attention, the only other reason I can see someone dismiss the facebook group out of hand, is if that person has a tendency to leech and rely on others to do most of the posting that actually makes a difference. [/b] Actually the Facebook group was not dismissed out of hand, just the posture that everything posted on ES is supposedly old news that some people already know. In fact, I commended Beyoku for doing what she does on her side of the aisle, in view of the common cause. I never had a problem with Facebook side, just the notion that everything on ES is so terrible and old, and that only a certain select group is worth anything. You yourself have exhibited this attitude multiple times, and do so again, below. [b] Speaking of leeching and relying on others to do the hard work, when was the last time you posted something big (and by big I don't mean pictures of ass and titties or tediously tall walls of text)? [/b] ^^What is supposed to be something "big" by your definition? And ask yourself the same question- what have you posted lately that's "big" and that hasn't been leeched from somewhere else? What original research have you done on your styled pristine Facebook forum? And when have you had time to do all these "big things"? In fact you yourself have spent multiple threads arguing over allegedly "fossilized" information on ES, including multiple threads arguing with people like The Explorer over "fossil" minutiae. As for the tall walls of text, they have come in pretty handy, and have done excellent service, as the multiple forum forays of Slugger, Morpheus, Asante, and others demonstrate. The accurate citations therein have time and time again proven their worth in debate and exchange across the web, by serious people. And that body of text has time and time again put information on the floor, across the web, end-running he blockades of Wikipedia moles and sandbaggers. Tall text? Hell, make the most of it. [b]The bottom line is you guys are dinosaurs. Fossils. Almost every anthropology blog has scoops before you do. [/b] See here is where you prove what I am saying above, how you breezily dismiss the valid information being put out here on ES, including new data and extensions to existing knowledge. If ES is for fossils and dinosaurs, how come you keep posting here and arguing with people, rather than pursuing alleged path-breaking purity in your new Facebook group? And of course anthropology blogs, some of which are run by academics- dedicated solely to the subject- will SOMETIMES scoop ES. So what? ES is sometimes ahead of the game with information THEY have not posted. And even in alleged days of glory, said blogs time and time again broke information which ES members picked up and reposted for discussion and critique. That has not changed. And there is nothing sacred about other anthro blogs. In fact they are often full of distortion as the examples of Matilda, Dinekes and others demonstrate. Nothing sacred about what they "scoop" at all. And you yourself have numerous times reposted info from other blogs, web sources and PDFs on here, or churned away for numerous threads on such reposts. [b]There is little reason for serious people to visit ES, except maybe as an after-thought or nostalgia. When Evergreen and them left (people who truly understood the value of bringing in new, or previously unseen data) the forum was left with a bunch of leeches and people who like to bask in fossilized data. [/b] Dubious as noted above. But the question arises, if you are one of these select, oh so serious people, how come you are still around here visiting then? Shouldn't you be off "pioneering" on Facebook with the selectively serious?? And even in would-be glory days, ES was always beset by trolls, ideologues, etc etc and long time members battled with them on months-long, multiple flame threads on end, as the history of "Hammer", Akoben, et al well demonstrates. ES was never any pristine atmosphere of pure knowledge. [b]'Scuse me for wanting to create a community where emphasis is on collective sharing and that early ES sense of staying on top of recent developments. Silly me. What was I thinking? [/b] I have no beef with your Facebook endeavour, and if you think you can create your community of collective sharing- go for it. But keep in mind that ES is a valid part of the common body of collective Africana knowledge, even now. As noted elsewhere on this same general topic, ES has its part to play, even if only as an initial content dump and setup point for wider distribution. But it is not only that. New information and extensions in their own right appear here every almost week. There is plenty of room for everyone to work their side of the street- whether it be Facebook, ES, private blogs, or web-based forums. Like I say I have no beef with that in the larger context of pushing that knowledge forward. We all are aiming ultimately for the same thing. Peace. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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