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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: For the record, [b]Djehuti[/b] , [b]Tukuler[/b] and [b]typeZeiss[/b] while having the right to believe foolish things if they want are [b]not[/b] black Africans. They are fake. Their point of view is [b]not[/b] the point of view of most Maghrebian people either as they don't consider themselves black Africans for the most part. . . . . [b] So I don't find it surprising that people like Tukuler, Swenet, Djehuti, etc (who are not even black Africans btw, they are undercover racists) prefer to talk only about skin color or geography. [/b] [/QUOTE]. I'm having a hard time not saying [b]ARtU is a snivelling piece of **** liar[/b] but try to console myself knowing that in 9 years and 7 months on ES never once have I said Maghrebis or even central to west Saharans are Black Africans. I don't even use the term [/QUOTE]I never said or cared if you call Maghrebi people or whoever "Black Africans" or not. I said you are undercover racist who prefer to talk only about skin color or [b]geography[/b]. Then you idiot talk about geography. I'm not playing a semantic game with you fake idiots. I don't care what you call Africans, black Africans, Sub-Saharan Africans, people from the Y-DNA:A,B,E and MtDNA L haplogroups, people who stayed back during the OOA migration, indigenous Africans, etc. Those are all the same things in this context. Ancient Egyptians and African populations (Yoruba, Somali, Dinka, Zulu, Wolof, Kongo, etc) don't just share a skin color or their geography. That's ridiculous. They share the same origin, history, culture, biology, language, etc. Of course there's some foreign admixture but they are mostly Africans in a similar way you can say Ancient Greek or Rome were Europeans. [b]In term of genetic distance, Ancient Egyptians, especially at their formative stage, would be closer to other African populations than to Eurasians populations (for example on the Tiskkoff tree you posted).[/b] I hope people can see what Tukuler, Swenet and other racist are trying to do here. It's the same trickery used by horn supremacists before (probably from the same people). 1- They find a proxy caucasian populations in Africa (admixed, back migrations, etc) 2- Declare them African, black or whatever 3- Then claim Ancient Egyptians are closer to them but not to other Africans like West Africans or Great Lakes people. It's like there's 2 races of African or something. Then it's just a etymological trickery about what we call African, not truly about the shared history and culture of African people and Ancient Egyptians. [b]Ancient Egyptians becomes only Africans because they are on the same continent (geography) or because they had black skins.[/b] Which is ridiculous. Ancient Egyptians are Africans in every sense of the word. It wouldn't even be argued, if it weren't for the racism of past historians, until proof of the contrary. The burden of proving they are not black Africans should be on the racists people. [QUOTE] African Heritage is inclusive of all autochthonous/indigenous Africans. [/QUOTE]Those terms always depend on the context. Anybody who's citizen of an African country is an African, this include people of Arab and European origins. For example, this man is Vice-President of Zambia and he's an African: [IMG]http://zambiadailynation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Guy-Scott-speaks-at-Sikatana-funeral.jpg[/IMG] Of course, he's an African of European origin and I would guess he's proud of his origin as any people. In other context like for police reports, archeological studies, history or for medical studies, like genetic studies, you would classify him as somebody of European descent. Evidently everybody nowadays is admixed to some degree. [b]But Ancient Egyptians were mostly black Africans in similar way Ancient Greeks or Romans were mostly Europeans. They are not the products of Eurasian people migrating in Africa (a dynastic race). [/b] They were for the most part indigenous Africans. People from the Y-DNA haplogroup A, B, E and MtDNA L, people who cluster closer to African populations than Eurasians populations, at least considering the current genetic (Ramses III E1b1a, 18th Dynasty mummies, etc) and archaeological evidences. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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